dblmed Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 TeNo-Police Classic Photo – 1943-1945 - Ranking of Rottwachtmeister d. TN: [Parallelogram shaped "SS-Like" Black Collar Tabs w 2 Narrow Rows of Tresse - & - Shoulder Boards w 1 Wide Tresse Strip at the Base.] Through the keen eyes of a good friend [Txs, DC!], this super photo just came my way. The photo shows all of the Key elements of the June 1, 1943 – Kriegsend TeNo-Police Uniform ensemble: Tunic - Correct Police Tunic;Collar Tabs – Matching Mirrored "SS-Like" TabsShoulder Boards – TN-Police TypeSleeve Eagle – BLACK TeNo-Police EagleRaute – Diamond Shaped TeNo-Police TRADITIONS Abzeichen, worn on the left lower sleeveM43 Soft Billed Cap – with Police Insignia. [Of interest, the Soft Billed Cap was the same as the Police Caps; It Did Not Have the Black Piping which was used on the TeNo-Police Soft Side Cap.] [*Pants & Boots – I am not knowledgeable regarding the date range of use.] Txs, … Dave L / dblmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucks216 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 This is the only TeNo item I have in my collection... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblmed Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Hi hucks216 Very, very nice TeNo award document ! Congrats! Not many examples of TeNo documents are found ! The use of the word "TeNo" instead of either T.N. or TN. is quite a bit unusual for an official document. However, the word "TeNo" was occasionally used in pre-TR publications & TR publications. Since the KVK1 award date is so late in the war [March 17, 1945], I would image that it was one of the last ones issued from the TN [TeNo] Ortsgruppe of Sankt Ingbert. It was definitely a "hot" combat area when this award document was issued. Some WWII historical time line information about Sankt Ingbert is listed below. Sankt Ingbert (also St. Ingbert) is a town in the Saarpfalz district in Saarland, Germany. It is situated approx. 10 km north-east of Saarbrücken and 10 km south-west of Neunkirchen. The Infantry Regiments [of the 63d Infantry Division] remained with their attachments until early February 1945. The rest of the division arrived at Marseilles, 14 January 1945, then moved to Willerwald on 2 February, where it was joined by the advance elements on 6 February. On February 7th, the 63d conducted local raids and patrols, then pushed forward, crossing the Saar River on 17 February, and mopping up the enemy in Muhlen Woods. After bitter fighting at Güdingen early in March, the division smashed at the Siegfried Line on March 15th at Saarbrücken, Germany, taking Ormesheim and finally breaching the line at Sankt Ingbert and Hassel on 20 March, 1945. Hard still fighting lay ahead, but the Siegfried Line was Germany's last attempt to defend its prewar boundaries along the western front; this was a significant moment in the 63rd Infantry's history. Before resting on 23 March, the 63d took Spiesen-Elversberg, Neunkirchen and Erbach. http://en.wikipedia....nited_States%29 ... Txs, Dave L / dblmed Edited February 25, 2011 by dblmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Very wonderful items. Very impressive KVK1 document. I really wish that these had the citations with them. He must have pulled off something incredible to get that award. Also, those Werkschutz photos are very nice and rare items as well. I always love seeing the variable insignia configurations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucks216 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Thanks for the background information with regards to St.Ingbert in 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblmed Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 TeNo Gemeinschaftsführer Board 1940/43 Here is a nice example of the sewn in type of TeNo Gemeinschaftsführer (Gf.-F.) Shoulder Board, which was officially in effect from mid 1940 – mid 1943. However this Board continued to be worn until kriegsend by the TeNo men who wore the classic Navy-Blue [Dunkelblau] TN uniform. [There were war time supply & distribution problems, and the intended 1943 transition to the TeNo-Police uniform & new ranking configuration, were not available for all of the TeNo members.] The metal "Pip" [in Silver or Gold] - which was used by the TeNo is unique to this organization. [There are other somewhat similar Cog pips, worn by the Kriegsmarine & the DAF, which are often confused with the TeNo Pip, especially on dealer sites.] Thanks, …Dave L / dblmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Hello! Dave. Is there any new TN Items of your amazing Collection. :jumping: All the best Morten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbear Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) some more of my stuff lately Edited June 4, 2013 by paulbear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Beautiful!! I have not seen those shoulder boards in a collection before. Have you ever seen a complete tunic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbear Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 yes the tunics are around but in collections and seldom surface PAUL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbear Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) HERE is another lot from one man recently bought enjoy. PAUL Edited June 4, 2013 by paulbear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Great stuff Paul! Thanks for showing them. Do these uniforms demand a hefty price when they are available? The reason I ask is that I have some really ultra rare LW tunics in my collection that went for very low prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbear Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 right now in N AMERICA prices are low bad time to sell IMO PAUL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 I really like the black uniforms. What is a fair price for a complete and untouched tunic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbear Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 yes the uniforms for all ranks are very nice, but as for price have not seen one for along time so no data to go by and no guesses either market is to fluid PAUL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odulf Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Hard to imagine now, that these insignia were rejected/neglected when I started collecting (some 45 yrs ago); they cost next to nothing (no one had a clue about the organisation, branch or structure) and the obscure black/blue/grey/bottle green uniforms were rejected and tossed aside as rags. The same treat for Luftschütz, Police, RAD, DRK, Eisenbahn, and other uniformed organisations - we had so much to choose from and so much to learn, but there was no information and an overkill on caps, uniforms and (genuine) badges! Besides, prices were low, as were our wages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Now these obscure branches are nearly impossible to find. I was lucky enough to score the only LW G-L uniform set I have EVER seen or heard of outside of period photos. Things like this were not(and maybe still not) desirable. I wonder how many of these were just tossed? It is funny how the absolute rarest of items are often among the least expensive, while the more common items are mind blowing in price. I have been dying for a nice SHD or LSW (original) tunic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbear Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 we live now in an era of information not available even as late as the 80s. RESEARCHERS are now collecting the papers of the time with the rules and regulations and yes the forums are a great asset if used correctly. These so callled obscure units where so mainly due to their small size from the start and many of the rank and file in late war could be identified only by an arm band the uniforms being reserved for the elite ranks. Anyhow the fun of the hobby is the hunt PAUL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryT Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Here is a nice TeNo Einsatztruppe portrait. Note his field pack and helmet on the fence behind him. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odulf Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I picked up an interesting bunch of photos of TENO chaps, on a photo training mission? They use all kinds of cameras and equipment. Note the interesting collar patch worn in Nr.19, only leafs but no cog-wheel (similar to the collar patch of a Luftwaffe Official). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Auld Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Odulf,I like the second picture, bloke looks like he is struggling with a mobile phone, LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odulf Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Hahahaha, yes that is the present typical pose for a photographer. But the device looks like an exposure or light meter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Those are some great images. It is easy to see how these men would be confused as members of the SS by the average Allied Private, and then shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryT Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Another from my collection. Cheers, Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odulf Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) New arrival: TeNo Gruppe Luftwaffe (wearing the Luftwaffe Fliegerbluse and Lw side cap with Lw eagle and Lw belt buckle), dated 1941, left a TeNo-Scharführer and right a TeNo-Vormann. Edited September 7, 2017 by Odulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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