Soviet Soviet & Eastern Block Quiz

[hunyadi]

OK -

keywords to help -

Boys

and

Leather (notice the jackets of everyone else in the car?)

Edited November 15, 2007 by hunyadi

[Ed_Haynes]

OK -

keywords to help -

Boys

and

Leather (notice the jackets of everyone else in the car?)

I would advise against merely Googling these terms . . .

[Ed_Haynes]

At the risk of giving a partial answer, but in hope of helping others (if I am right), I'd guess this has something to do with the ChON (Russian: chasti osobogo naznacheniya, ЧОН= Части особого назначения), formed 17 April 1919. There were many Komosol members, some as young as 14.

I know this is no where near answering the question, but am I totally lost???

[JimZ]

OK -

keywords to help -

Boys

and

Leather (notice the jackets of everyone else in the car?)

In fact I wonder how many soviet collectors searching for these keywords got logged into some obscure server somewhere keeping track of deviants and fetishists

He he he!

Jim

[Carol I]

OK -

keywords to help -

Boys

and

Leather (notice the jackets of everyone else in the car?)

The first thing that came to mind (and still comes after the new keyword) is "the boys from the Cheka", but Felix Dzerzhinsky had a goatee which the men in the photo do not have.

[Christian Zulus]

Gentlemen,

if the "Iron Felix" might be close to the answer, but he is not in the car, then maybe Josif Unschlicht alias Jankel Jurowski might be in the car ?

Comrade Unschlicht had been somehow a deputy of Felix Dzerzhinsky and he had been responsible for finishing up with the Czarist's family.

Best regards

Christian

The first thing that came to mind (and still comes after the new keyword) is "the boys from the Cheka", but Felix Dzerzhinsky had a goatee which the men in the photo do not have.

[hunyadi]

In fact I wonder how many soviet collectors searching for these keywords got logged into some obscure server somewhere keeping track of deviants and fetishists

He he he!

Jim

ROFL

All interesting answers and guesses - but the only reason he is related to anything Soviet is becasue he was a POW...

[Ed_Haynes]

Oh . . . boys, leather, and Nazis . . . the options are just TOOOOO many . . . .

[Christian Zulus]

Dear Charles,

o.k., if that's not a Soviet photograph, then I would see, that these gentlemen look rather "German". Might be a group of German officers before - or after - WW I.

Here is the person in question again, the non-Soviet with a love for boys in leather, but a bit blown up - maybe it helps ... :

Best regards

Christian

BTW: GOOGLE delivers also rather "queer" results, not only with "Boys & Leather", but also with 100 % military items, as "Gas Masks" and "Uniforms" - specially "SS" and "Afrika Korps" .

ROFL

All interesting answers and guesses - but the only reason he is related to anything Soviet is becasue he was a POW...

[JimZ]

....the non-Soviet with a love for boys in leather, but a bit blown ....

This is getting better and better by the post.... I promise I'll be good from this point on....!

Jim

[hunyadi]

Now - I think I will hand this to you on a silver platter with these - but here are a few photos of the boys...

Sorry if the quality on this is so poor -

Edited November 15, 2007 by hunyadi

[hunyadi]

perhaps this will make it a little more clear?

More photos of the boys....in leather....

[Christian Zulus]

perhaps this will make it a little more clear?

More photos of the boys....in leather....

Dear Charles,

the comrade at the right on your last pic is LENIN .

But what has comrade Lenin to do with a non-Soviet, who had been POW ?

Trotsky had a gang of "Leather-Boys" around him - in red dresses .

Best regards

Christian

Edited November 15, 2007 by Christian Zulus

[hunyadi]

Elvtars Christian!

You are sooo close...you have all the keywords to find the comrade in the back of the car....

[Christophe]

I'm back...

The man in the photo is Tibor Szamuely.

Tibor Szamuely (December 27, 1890 ? August 2, 1919) was a Hungarian Communist leader.

Born in Ny?regyh?za, a city in the Northeast of Hungary, Szamuely (original Samuel)[citation needed] was the oldest son of five children of a Jewish family. After sompleting his university studies, he became a journalist. He started his political activities as a member of the Hungarian Social Democratic Party.

Szamuely was drafted and fought as a soldier during World War I; in 1915, he was captured by the Russians. After the Russian Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, he was released togehter with all other POWs. By then Szamuely had became a Communist. In Moscow he organized a Communist group together with B?la Kun among the Hungarian prisoners of war. Many of them, including Szamuely and Kun, joined the Soviet Red Army and fought in the Russian Civil War on the side of the Bolsheviks. Szamuely later went to Germany and in December 1918 he took part in the formation of the German Communist Party with Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg.

In March 1919, there was a Communist revolution in Hungary, under the leadership of B?la Kun. Tibor Szamuely became another prominent leader of the young Hungarian Soviet Republic. He occupied a number of posts, but finally became people's commissar for Military Affairs and chief of the ?Red Terror? to combat counterrevolutionary activities. In late May 1919, Szamuely made a trip to Moscow by airplane to campaign for world revolution together with Lenin. Szamuely?s own personal guards were nicknamed the Lenin Boys. Victims of the group is taken between 300-600 by different sources.

The Hungarian Soviet Republic only lasted for six months until the communist government was overthrown by several invading foreign forces, mainly Romanian. Szamuely managed to evade the ?White Terror? and fled in his car towards Austria, but after making an illegal border crossing, he was seized by the Austrian authorities and killed. Other sources say he committed suicide. His body was hacked and scattered in the fields.

(from Wikipedia)

From another site : http://www.geocities.com/veldes1/szamuely.html

"Tibor Szamuely was born at Ny?regyh?za on 27 December 1890. His name was synonymous with the red terror of Bela Kun?s soviet regime. He was formerly a journalist for small socialist newspapers and became a bolshevik pamphleteer after the end of World War I.

One of his proclamations during Graf Mihaly K?rolyi?s government delivers all that Szamuely believed and soon put into practice: ?Everywhere counter-revolutionaries run about and swagger; beat them down! Beat their heads where you find them! If counter-revolutionaries were to gain the upper hand for even a single hour, there will be no mercy for any proletarian. Before they stifle the revolution, suffocate them in their own blood!?

When Bela Kun?s bolsheviks took power and formed a Soviet regime, Szamuely became chief propagandist for the government, and made a trip to Moscow to campaign for world revolution by the side of Lenin in late May 1919. He was also appointed to combat counter-revolutionary sentiment with pure terror, with the title Commissar for Military Affairs of the Hungarian Soviet Republic. Thanks to the propagation of collectivism that Kun espoused, there were several violent peasant rebellions against the regime during Kun?s 133 days in power.

Anti-bolshevik rebellions had to be suppressed with brute force all across the Alf?ld beyond the Danube, also in 20 villages in Kalocsa county, as well as around Budapest. Szamuely gleefully threw his special guard, the so-called ?Lenin Boys? (or ?Youth?) into the fray, arbitrarily shooting and hanging anyone they could lay their hands on as a means of terrorising the peasants into submission. Szamuely once boasted, ?Terror is the principal weapon of our regime,? and for good reason. After several days, the killing was over and Szamuely returned to Kun and reported that the revolution had ?succeeded in the countryside.

However, Kun already planned to suppress the Lenin Boys, because the extreme violence of Szamuely was doing more harm than good. Szamuely prepared for this eventuality by starting a newspaper called "Kommunista," but it never got off the ground.

Problem was, the regime?s grip on power was becoming shakier and shakier, and the "Lenin Boys" were not actually dissolved until 1 August 1919, when Szamuely, Kun, and other top-ranking bolsheviks fled Budapest as the Rumanians advanced on the city. Kun escaped, but Szamuely was shot and killed by a gendarme while trying to illegally cross the Austrian frontier on 2 August. Afterward, his death was widely celebrated throughout Hungary."

And another pic of him in car :

Charles, this was a good one, as I did not know this aspect of history. It also gave us the opportunity to better discover some of the fantasms of our Gentlemen members, here in the Forum...

Cheers.

Ch.

[JimZ]

.....It also gave us the opportunity to better discover some of the fantasms of our Gentlemen members, here in the Forum... ......

Hey hey hey Christophe! What else can we say about that comment

I guess a WELL DONE is in order on this tough one (although with last hints you just beat me to it)!!

Let's wait for charles to come back

Jim

[hunyadi]

Even closer - yes the man with Lenin is Tibor Szamuely, but that is not the man in the photo I posted for the question! Szamuely was always clean shaven. The Lenin Boys that ran around terrorizing the populace in Leather Jackets is the exact link you need to make for who he is but Szamuely is not him. The other photo that I added to 'help' is that of Matyas Rakosi uppon his graduation from the Lenin Agitation School in 1918. Rakosi was also one of the Lenin Boys, so the man in the back of the car is not him either. Who else could it be - remember the imortant folks, those that led rode in the back of the cars...

Edited November 16, 2007 by hunyadi

[JimZ]

OMG!!

[Hauptmann]

Elvtars Christian!

You are sooo close...you have all the keywords to find the comrade in the back of the car....

Hi Charles,

Was it Cserny J?zsef?

Dan

[JimZ]

Or was it B?la Kun?

Jim

[hunyadi]

Hi Charles,

Was it Cserny J?zsef?

Dan

Yep - the winnner is Dan!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Soviet_Republic

As Szamuely told then where to go, it was Cserny who did the actual leading and 'dirty work' of the 200 boys in leather...

Back to you Dan!!

[JimZ]

A slow starter but this question really had us going in the end!!!

Well done.

[hunyadi]

Ed told me to make you suffer - so I did - interestingly the photo only comes up in Hungarian references, so I knew that would be hard as I could not find the photo on the web, but once you typed in 'boys' and 'leather' in Wikipedia you got the hits, not quickly, but they were there. Once I threw in the Lenin link, I knew it was only a matter of hours...

I have more to keep you all guessing, but probably the best thing is to not 'give' the questions to me... make me pay for them...

[Ed_Haynes]

A good one, thanks.

[Hauptmann]

Hi all,

Well, looks like I'm back in the drivers seat again. I'm going to try one this time and hope I can do almost as well as Charles. Great job my friend! You kept us all going and I for one have learned about things I never would have otherwise (and no... not leather or boys! ). In fact... I ran into the idea for my next question while searching for this last one.

Who was I?

I'm was not a Russian but I've been involved with Russians... and in fact was a Bolshevik.

I helped a man of steal in a great way and having done that later helped save me.

I was a writer, playwrite, revolutionary, statesman.

At one point in my career I was involved with youth.

When I died, I died a broken man.

So the questions are:

Who was I?

What was my involvement with youth?

Who did I help and how?

How did my helping him help save me later... and from what?

I could be called a founder... name some things I founded or helped to found.

When did I die?

Where am I buried?

And a couple of bonus questions:

What expression of mine became the motto of a movement?

Name one of my plays.

Good luck to all!

Dan