JimZ Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Well Christophe,"I take the easy shot... Let's just guess what could be the top row : 1 HSU, 6 Lenin, 4 Red Banners... "That is BIG. I was wondering if you managed to guess from the positions of the upper bar with the number of medals on the lower bar. But I thought it might be just a bit more complicated as that as their could be mutiple HSUs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 So, now we have to concentrate our efforts on the Soviet and foreign orders, and guess who our man could be... Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) 1 HSU 6 Lenins 4 Red Banners, 20 years RKKA, Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad, both Victory medals and various commemorative medals till the 1968 SAF 50th.A lovely group in the making... with our man ... as we already established... being born somewhere around the turn of the century and passing away between 1968 and 1975 (just before the 30th anniversary of Victory over Germany was issued)Again, I want something really BIG to reveal more...but if it is Big enough, more will be revealed.Of course, I consider the recipient's name to be Big ... so something less than that will do... ... But beware, I may want more than what you give. Plus the group has some other very distinguishing features which should be uncovered first.Good luck!! Edited July 11, 2009 by JimZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 MongolianOrder of Sukhe-BatorOrder of the Combat Red BannerPolandOrder of Polonia RestitutaSovietOrder of Suvorov 1st Class (3)But I don't know the who part yet. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 So far so good Dan. How can you know the missing orders but do not know the name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Well... my long ago ancestor Dr. John Watson learned a bit from his friend and colleague Sherlock Holmes and then passed it all down in the family. Basically... I felt I remembered this style of display with the glass, background, etc., being shown on one of the threads regarding Soviet museums. I did a search for museum in the Soviet section and sure enough:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9297&hl=museumPost #5Pic reposted with the kind permission of Ed Haynes. Sadly the post does not say who the group belonged to and Ed did not know.So still digging and trying to figure out the rest. Dan :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 It is written on the pic : Marshall of Artillery N.N. Voronov. He got the 3 Suvorov 1st Class SN 3, SN 190 and SN 240.Congrats Dan, well done !! Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) Here is his bio from Wikipedia :"Nikolai Nikolayevich Voronov (Russian: Никола́й Никола́евич Во́ронов; May 5 [O.S. May 17] 1899, Petersburg ? February 28, 1968, Moscow) was a Soviet military leader, Chief Marshal of Artillery (1944), and Hero of the Soviet Union (May 7, 1965).Nikolai Voronov was awarded six Orders of Lenin, Order of the October Revolution. four Orders of the Red Banner, three Orders of Suvorov (1st Class), Order of the Red Star, five foreign orders, medals and an honorary weapon. He was interred in the Kremlin Wall Necropolis at the Red Square."Interesting to notice that his Order of the October Revolution has not been added to the bar... Awarded too late in time for him to wear it before he dies...Ch. Edited July 11, 2009 by Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Well done! My pic came from my last visit to the Central Armed Forces museum in Moscow and was taken on my cell phone. I got a thrill out of sneaking a great number of pics!!I remember looking at some orders on display and explaining to my wife why those specific orders were fakes ... when a young museum assistant came up to me to ask if he could help me!! Sure enough I politely told him that no, I did not need any help but thank you! I was not going to go into the merits of what was a fake and and more importantly explaining why and how I knew!!As my visit of the museum continued I was shocked at the number of fakes or lets call them "replacement" pieces have been intorduced into the display stands. It is my fear that a lot of orders left that museum in the same way that they left the Hermitage! Disappointing but nevertheless an attempt to meet the growing appetite for high end soviet awards. And then we wonder why the exportation of Soviet ODMs has been illegalised.Well done Dan and Christophe, but particularly Dan on finding Soviet Marshal of Artillery Nikolai Nikolaevich Vornov's group.... incidentally born in 1899 (turn of the century) and died 1968. It is amazing how much a group can tell us about the person it was awarded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Here is his bio from Wikipedia :"Nikolai Nikolayevich Voronov (Russian: Никола́й Никола́евич Во́ронов; May 5 [O.S. May 17] 1899, Petersburg ? February 28, 1968, Moscow) was a Soviet military leader, Chief Marshal of Artillery (1944), and Hero of the Soviet Union (May 7, 1965).Nikolai Voronov was awarded six Orders of Lenin, Order of the October Revolution. four Orders of the Red Banner, three Orders of Suvorov (1st Class), Order of the Red Star, five foreign orders, medals and an honorary weapon. He was interred in the Kremlin Wall Necropolis at the Red Square."Interesting to notice that his Order of the October Revolution has not been added to the bar... Awarded too late in time for him to wear it before he dies...Ch.And amazingly that's all there is on Wiki! Little more on the net...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Hi Christophe,Many thanks my friend! Just lucky that my poor befuddled brain worked for once and I remembered the display type and was able to find it. And of course if Ed had not posted that pic... so many thanks to him! Just sorry I'm not able to read that much Russian as I suspected that was the name info at the bottom but didn't know for sure.Congrats on finishing it out!!!! Dan :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 I agree, Jim. Dan is the winner !!! Thanks Jim for this interesting round, and, Dan, your turn, now !!! Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Jim, Christophe... many thanks! I myself had considered Christophe to be the winner as he did come up with the final part. And as it would probably take me a good while to come up with something nearly as good as Jim's question... I'd like to offer the honor of asking the next one to Christophe as I think he'll be able to come up with something good in my stead. And Christophe... if you don't have the time at the mo then if you're okay with it please let Jim have another go. I quite enjoyed this one and it's been awhile for me so this was definitely fun! Hope this is okay. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 Hi Dan, Up to you...Will try to find one... Except if Jim wants again to challenge us... Jim ? Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Well done gentlemen! And an excellent, interesting question! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Hi Dan, Up to you...Will try to find one... Except if Jim wants again to challenge us... Jim ? Ch.Again at the moment my brain would probably short out before I could come up with a good one. So whichever of you would like the honor of the next one it's fine by me. Let the games begin! Dan :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 Jim, any challenge ? Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) I was going to pass on the challenge but instead I'll throw this question instead:Who am I?Please tell my story. And then, TELL MY STORY!Its an easy one!!!Good luck Edited July 12, 2009 by JimZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Totally clueless so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share Posted July 13, 2009 Hi Jim,Difficult to tell... What kind of hat does he wear ? Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share Posted July 13, 2009 Looks like Karol Wojtyla, but... not him... Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Not Karol Wojtyla!He is just a child who died at a very young age. He was a veritible product of the communist machine.There are two versions surrounding our characther. The hyped up communist 'legend' ... and what is more likely, the true story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Valentin Alexandrovich Kotik? Dan :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilja559 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Pavlik Morozovhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlik_Morozov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted July 14, 2009 Author Share Posted July 14, 2009 Well done Ilja !! Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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