Mongolia Sukhbaatar Order

[Ed_Haynes]

http://www.forum-su.com/topic58884.html

835 - low for a pinback!

Yes. The lowest recorded pinback is still 813 (with 788 the screwback high, so we have a narrow "window).

[Bob]

Yes. The lowest recorded pinback is still 813 (with 788 the screwback high, so we have a narrow "window).

ah missed the 813... indeed a narrow window... production run of 800? one day...

[Bob]

Just when you think SB's have dried up, new ones pop up. Check out the Mongolian section of Dmitry Markov's upcoming auction (the prices of some badges are shall we say rather "high" by the way!!!)!

Edited December 18, 2007 by Bob

[Ed_Haynes]

Interesting, and interesting to see where they wind up.

[new world]

Judging from last Markov's auction majority of items will end up in Russia / Ukraine. On last auction few buyers bought majority of interesting items.

Prices that they paid were beyond of what most of western collectors were prepared to pay, I wouldn't be surprised if this will be the case this time around.

William

[Ed_Haynes]

Judging from last Markov's auction majority of items will end up in Russia / Ukraine. On last auction few buyers bought majority of interesting items.

Prices that they paid were beyond of what most of western collectors were prepared to pay, I wouldn't be surprised if this will be the case this time around.

William

That was my sense as well, William. I was able to speak with him only briefly at OMSA, but I got the clear sense that he (even more so than the other NYC-area dealers) was mainly focusing on doing business back to The Motherland these days.

Not sure any of us can "run with these big dogs".

[new world]

During the last auction representatives of the "big dogs" were seen bidding like crazy. It seemed the price didn't matter at all, like there was no limit for these people.

The goal was to buy at any cost... how can you compete against something like this?

[Ed_Haynes]

Yes, I have seen similar Russian bidders at some of the London auctions. Just walk in, hold up their placard, unmoving, until the hammer falls, and then walk out.

[Vatjan]

Sometimes, hearing such stories, I have the impression I live on another planet.

Edited December 18, 2007 by Vatjan

[Bob]

Yes, I have seen similar Russian bidders at some of the London auctions. Just walk in, hold up their placard, unmoving, until the hammer falls, and then walk out.

This also explains perhaps why the auction catalogue is more than Dmitry Markov posts on his site. Why offer an SB for sale at say 2.5K if you know that there'll be people bidding it up well over a reasonable market price anyway?

[Bob]

Interesting... the same SB's appear to "circulate": 1.246 twice in below list, 1.514 twice in below list, 644 twice in below list!

RECENTLY SOLD

pinback

- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007

- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)

- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007

- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1.183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007

- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1.514, www.huesken.com - JUNE 2007

- EURO 1.300 (roughly 1.700 USD), nr 1.246, private seller - SEPTEMBER 2007

- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.200 USD - before fees!), nr 1.514, Andreas Thies October auction - OCTOBER 2007

- USD 1.850, nr 1.947, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007

- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007

screwback

- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006

- EUR 1.630 (roughly 2.150 USD), nr 585, Albert GMIC - MAY 2007

- USD 2.650, nr 644 (again!), Nota Bene - OCTOBER 2007 (boxed)

- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007

- USD 2.500, nr 777, somewhere in Russia - DECEMBER 2007

CURRENTLY FOR SALE

pinback

- USD 2.450, nr 1.764, <a href="http://auction-su.com/-,itemname,160966,id,auctiondetails" target="_blank">http://auction-su.com/-,itemname,160966,id,auctiondetails</a>

- USD 1.400 (starting price), nr 1,246, Dmitry Markov auction

screwback

- USD 3.300, nr 227, Coinsell (on eBay)

- USD 1.400 (starting price), nr 427, Dmitry Markov auction

Thanks William

Edited December 18, 2007 by Bob

[new world]

Bob,

small correction to your list - starting price on Markov auction is $1,400.

$1,750 is estimate.

William

[Bob]

Just in time for Xmas you can count on Nota Bene to get some goodies!

RECENTLY SOLD

pinback

- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007

- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)

- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007

- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1.183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007

- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1.514, www.huesken.com - JUNE 2007

- EURO 1.300 (roughly 1.700 USD), nr 1.246, private seller - SEPTEMBER 2007

- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.200 USD - before fees!), nr 1.514, Andreas Thies October auction - OCTOBER 2007

- USD 1.850, nr 1.947, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007

- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007

screwback

- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006

- EUR 1.630 (roughly 2.150 USD), nr 585, Albert GMIC - MAY 2007

- USD 2.650, nr 644 (again!), Nota Bene - OCTOBER 2007 (boxed)

- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007

- USD 2.500, nr 777, somewhere in Russia - DECEMBER 2007

CURRENTLY FOR SALE

pinback

- USD 2.450, nr 1.764, <a href="http://auction-su.com/-,itemname,160966,id,auctiondetails" target="_blank">http://auction-su.com/-,itemname,160966,id,auctiondetails</a>

- USD 1.400 (starting price), nr 1,246, Dmitry Markov auction

- USD 1.950, nr 1.437, Nota Bene

screwback

- USD 3.300, nr 227, Coinsell (on eBay)

- USD 1.400 (starting price), nr 427, Dmitry Markov auction

[new world]

The one at Nota Bene apparently has some enamel restoration...

[Bob]

Now, this is interesting...

200186531461 on eBay

Here's a scan... we all know ORDER OF SUKHEBATOR #5168 should not exist... at least not in the near future and certainly not in the late 80's.

[Ed_Haynes]

Sad. It looks like the name of the decoration has been removed and replaced.

[Bob]

Sad. It looks like the name of the decoration has been removed and replaced.

Yes, judging by the serial number / date, order of red banner of labor would seem possible.

Somebody thought: let's make some more money... and as a result the history will be lost and any reasonably knowledgable collector will not touch this booklet.

[fjcp]

I love it when I'm right.....'cause it really doesn't happen that often...

Igor just listed SB #1635 for $2750....

JC

[Bob]

Igor keeps pushing the price limits up - a self-fulfilling prophecy?

RECENTLY SOLD

pinback

- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007

- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)

- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007

- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1.183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007

- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1.514, www.huesken.com - JUNE 2007

- EURO 1.300 (roughly 1.700 USD), nr 1.246, private seller - SEPTEMBER 2007

- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.200 USD - before fees!), nr 1.514, Andreas Thies October auction - OCTOBER 2007

- USD 1.850, nr 1.947, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007

- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007

- USD 1.950, nr 1.437, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2008

screwback

- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006

- EUR 1.630 (roughly 2.150 USD), nr 585, Albert GMIC - MAY 2007

- USD 2.650, nr 644 (again!), Nota Bene - OCTOBER 2007 (boxed)

- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007

- USD 2.500, nr 777, somewhere in Russia - DECEMBER 2007

CURRENTLY FOR SALE

pinback

- USD 2.450, nr 1.764, <a href="http://auction-su.com/-,itemname,160966,id,auctiondetails" target="_blank">http://auction-su.com/-,itemname,160966,id,auctiondetails</a>

- USD 1.400 (starting price), nr 1,246, Dmitry Markov auction

- USD 2.750, nr 1.635, www.collectrussia.com

screwback

- USD 3.300, nr 227, Coinsell (on eBay)

- USD 1.400 (starting price), nr 427, Dmitry Markov auction

[Bob]

Top price now 3.500 USD... and rising

RECENTLY SOLD

pinback

- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007

- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)

- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007

- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1.183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007

- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1.514, www.huesken.com - JUNE 2007

- EURO 1.300 (roughly 1.700 USD), nr 1.246, private seller - SEPTEMBER 2007

- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.200 USD - before fees!), nr 1.514, Andreas Thies October auction - OCTOBER 2007

- USD 1.850, nr 1.947, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007

- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007

- USD 1.950, nr 1.437, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2008

screwback

- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006

- EUR 1.630 (roughly 2.150 USD), nr 585, Albert GMIC - MAY 2007

- USD 2.650, nr 644 (again!), Nota Bene - OCTOBER 2007 (boxed)

- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007

- USD 2.500, nr 777, somewhere in Russia - DECEMBER 2007

CURRENTLY FOR SALE

pinback

- USD 2.450, nr 1.764, <a href="http://auction-su.com/-,itemname,160966,id,auctiondetails" target="_blank">http://auction-su.com/-,itemname,160966,id,auctiondetails</a>

- USD 1.400 (starting price), nr 1,246, Dmitry Markov auction

- USD 2.750, nr 1.635, www.collectrussia.com

screwback

- USD 3.500, nr 227, Coinsell (on eBay)

- USD 1.400 (starting price), nr 427, Dmitry Markov auction

[new world]

Based on Bob's logs seller on eBay has been selling SB for three months and now he increases the price.

I also love his accepted payment methods - cash, bank transfer or Western Union to China...

William

[Bob]

Based on Bob's logs seller on eBay has been selling SB for three months and now he increases the price.

I also love his accepted payment methods - cash, bank transfer or Western Union to China...

William

I wouldn't be too concerned. I acquired a Soyombo Hero award from him quite some time ago (for a fabulous price; even more so considering current market price!) and I paid via Western Union and the item arrived in perfect condition.

Still, increasing the price is an interesting action to take... I do have the impression it's a sellers market and Igor knows this as well in New Jersey. Self fullfilling prophecy:

- he sets high prices

- suppliers in Mongolia also expect high prices

- as a result, prices HAVE to be high in west again

- etc.

[Ed_Haynes]

Unfortunately, many of the secondary suppliers in Ulanbaatar look to Igor's site to set THEIR prices (I have been shown nice color printouts from his site to justify their silly prices, and none of these guys routinely trade internationally except at the weekly UB coin fair, to the boys who've come down from Irkutsk), add two more steps and . . . .

Just wait to see where the ones at Markov's auction go . . . anyone care to guess?

[new world]

I wouldn't be too concerned. I acquired a Soyombo Hero award from him quite some time ago (for a fabulous price; even more so considering current market price!) and I paid via Western Union and the item arrived in perfect condition.

Still, increasing the price is an interesting action to take... I do have the impression it's a sellers market and Igor knows this as well in New Jersey. Self fullfilling prophecy:

- he sets high prices

- suppliers in Mongolia also expect high prices

- as a result, prices HAVE to be high in west again

- etc.

On high-priced items I'd rather deal with Igor.

Knowing him personally helps and his reputation is top.

[new world]

Unfortunately, many of the secondary suppliers in Ulanbaatar look to Igor's site to set THEIR prices (I have been shown nice color printouts from his site to justify their silly prices, and none of these guys routinely trade internationally except at the weekly UB coin fair, to the boys who've come down from Irkutsk), add two more steps and . . . .

Just wait to see where the ones at Markov's auction go . . . anyone care to guess?

I am going to stop by for auction preview. I'll ask Dmitry for his opinion, but I doubt he can predict.