Bob Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 The Polar Star isn't chaotic, it's just "different"
Ed_Haynes Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Relevant to the "Polar Star", let me cross-reference the discussion over at: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=13369Some interesting observations have been reported there.
Ed_Haynes Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 OK, let us try:Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Order of the Polar Star A31/A32):185/1804 193688 06/07/1946822 23/09/19461,162 17/10/19511,217 04/12/19551,225 6/09/19441,562 08/07/19471,956 29/11/19552,265 3/11/19452,506 30/12/19562,705 08/12/19482,946 08/07/19501,217 03/12/19553,079 16/01/19573,301 19563,553 08/07/19473,917 30/12/19564,832 06/11/19564,948 08/12/19485,901 20/07/19466,133 16/02/19566,335 24/05/19506,453 10/11/19568,143 15/11/19589,013 14/12/19579,138 14/07/196010,358 25/08/196111,340 18/05/196511,611 00/03/196613,376 01/12/196914,236 03/07/197114,292 03/06/197114,718 12/03/197315,860 03/07/197118,389 19/10/197619,735 01/12/197925,483 03/04/198026,734 19/11/199027,017 03/07/199128,321 18/04/199529,034 29/11/199829,893 6-xx-200031,529 21/11/2001Potentially, much of interest here. Make of it what you will/can.
SWE Erik Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 don't remember the number but looks like 479.
fjcp Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 (edited) So I've got a bit of a problem.I just got this documented type 2, and I'm a little unsure as to what the actual award date is.I've added the numbers in as best I can and as you can see there are two, 4 digit numbers and two dates. Which is which?For comparison I've included Bob's Type 2 document which is exactly the same as mine, including the two signatures on page three.Above the suspected serial numbers I've written "ser." These two numbers also correspond to the serial numbers on the awards (2082 and 1774) so that's a pretty safe bet.The date remains a bit of a mystery though.In my doc. there are three dates, two of which are the same. One date can be found on page one and page two, year 44, month 9 , day 6. That would make it 1954! The second date is on page three and that is (Year 34, month 4, day 3) this would seem the most likely date for the award, 1944. But what are the other dates and numbers for?Help!JCps. the bottom one is mine (1774), and more of Bobs doc. can be seen on the first/second page of this thread Edited January 21, 2007 by fjcp
fjcp Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 And now for the interesting bit. It's a Type 2.4!!! And the fun doesn't stop there. There is an "X" engraved at 10 o'clock and a hand engraved mintmark was removed from the 8 o'clock position!The polar star never fails to entertain that's for sure!!!JC
Ed_Haynes Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 Interesting puzzles. Don't you just LOVE the Polar Star?
Ed_Haynes Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 (edited) Look this one.The current ugly-nasty variety, USAF, apparently unnumbered so likely escapee from stock (type 4.3). Edited January 21, 2007 by Ed_Haynes
Jacky Posted January 23, 2007 Posted January 23, 2007 Hi Gents,I have decided to offer my Polar Star for sale at this forum before offering it else where.My dear gents have the first option to buy this breast star.Kind regards,Jacky
Ed_Haynes Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 (edited) So I've got a bit of a problem.I just got this documented type 2, and I'm a little unsure as to what the actual award date is.I've added the numbers in as best I can and as you can see there are two, 4 digit numbers and two dates. Which is which?For comparison I've included Bob's Type 2 document which is exactly the same as mine, including the two signatures on page three.Above the suspected serial numbers I've written "ser." These two numbers also correspond to the serial numbers on the awards (2082 and 1774) so that's a pretty safe bet.The date remains a bit of a mystery though.In my doc. there are three dates, two of which are the same. One date can be found on page one and page two, year 44, month 9 , day 6. That would make it 1954! The second date is on page three and that is (Year 34, month 4, day 3) this would seem the most likely date for the award, 1944. But what are the other dates and numbers for?Help!JCps. the bottom one is mine (1774), and more of Bobs doc. can be seen on the first/second page of this threadOK, I have been able to get some information on these two documents. And very interesting they are!1- (shown below)Recipient is Delger Yadamsuren.The award section reads "for the defense efforts of the country and for the brave fight in the battle of Khalhin Gol in year 28 (1939), the Order of Polar Star is awarded." Edited January 24, 2007 by Ed_Haynes
Ed_Haynes Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 (edited) And 2:Awarded to Ihig Sharavdagva.And the circumstances were "for active participation in the action of sending gifts to the Red Army, the Order of Polar Star is awarded."Nice!! Edited January 24, 2007 by Ed_Haynes
fjcp Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 And 2:Awarded to Ihig Sharavdagva.And the circumstances were "for active participation in the action of sending gifts to the Red Army, the Order of Polar Star is awarded."Nice!! Ed,I can't thank you enough!!!I really appreciate you getting this translated! I wonder though what exactly " sending gifts" refers to but I'm very happy all the same!These two documents are the perfect example of why RESEARCH is so wonderful and invaluable!I can't wait 'till research becomes on option!! Who knows what we'll find.. A Khalhin Gol vet. perhaps! Great stuff!!
Jacky Posted January 29, 2007 Posted January 29, 2007 The order of the polar Star, which I sold to Sergei, althoug with quite a hassle and stupid mistakes, but after allthings got fixed.I think Sergei likes your opinion on this one too.kind regards,Jacky
Jacky Posted January 29, 2007 Posted January 29, 2007 the last image is the same as the first, except that it had been washed with soap.kind regards,Jacky
Ed_Haynes Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 WARNING - Rectification of Names follows!Well, to make things a bit more complex, the name of this order is the "Order of the Polar Star" only in our habituated English translation. The real name, in Mongolian, it is the "Algan Gadas Odon" (whether in Cyrillic or Mongol Bichig), and this translates better into English as the "Order of the Golden Stake" or the "Order of the Golden Nail" or the "Order of the Golden Pole". (Maybe it's all the same, maybe not. Accuracy is important?) Given the stupid locker-room jokes that surround the unfortunate common translation of the real name of what is called in English the "Order of the Precious Rod", it may be better that we continue to use a flawed translation for this one?
Jacky Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 Order of the precious rod......That makes me thinking of the "extase of the Holy saint Theresa"But that's Kind regards,Jacky
Ed_Haynes Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 (edited) In an effort to breathe some life back into the forum, thought I'd share some eye-candy of major types.Serial numbers:792 / 95146 / 24139 (pinback) / 32921 Edited March 27, 2007 by Ed_Haynes
Stogieman Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 See, if they had kept the initial design, I wouldn't be so confused. Drop-dead gorgeous.I think anything less than the correct, translated name would be an insult to Mongolians everywhere. Childish comments be damned.
Ed_Haynes Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 I think anything less than the correct, translated name would be an insult to Mongolians everywhere. Childish comments be damned.In the next edition, Battushig will be including the real names (in Mongolian) and new linguistically accurate translations.
Riley1965 Posted April 27, 2007 Posted April 27, 2007 Compliments of Ed (THANKS ED!!!)... ...Order of the Polar Star Type 2 Variation 1 serial number 2271 Doc
Ed_Haynes Posted May 6, 2007 Posted May 6, 2007 Update on typology and serial number ranges. The confusion thrives.Type 1 (Screwback; МОНДВОР mintmark; long oval design with two red banners, ~300 awarded) - Low = 316/High = 792Type 2.1 (Screwback; upward-curved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom) - Low = 9/High = 2831Type 2.2 (Screwback; downward-curved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN directly below screwpost) - Low = 1151/High = 2878Type 2.3 (Screwback; no mintmark; Uighur; SN at 7 o?clock) - Low = 1562/High = ????Type 2.4 (Screwback; hand-engraved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom) - Low = 1710/High = 1776Type 3.1 (Screwback; Cyrillic; slightly concave reverse; SN at 7 o'clock) - Low = 2/High = 6952Type 3.2 (Screwback; Cyrillic; flat reverse; SN directly below screwpost) - Low = 5094/High = 9941Type 3.3 (Screwback; Cyrillic; flat reverse; SN at 6 o'clock) - Low = 10007/High = 15000Type 4.1 (Pinback, silver) - Low = 15015/High = 30426Type 4.2 (pinback, bronze) - Low = 31650/High = 39785Type 4.3 (pinback, bronze, no serial number, unawarded escapee?)
Bob Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 Am visiting Volgograd right now and - unfortunately - not much to find so far in terms of medals... although oddly enough I've come by a boatload of overpriced run of the mill Mongolian awards... incl quite some polar stars and even a Deputat badge
Bob Posted May 30, 2007 Posted May 30, 2007 How fitting that this is the most read thread on the Mongolian forum:)
Ed_Haynes Posted May 30, 2007 Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) Makes sense, gven the many joys, and frustrations, of this award!! Edited May 30, 2007 by Ed_Haynes
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