Chris Boonzaier Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Out of the same household..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Since these are red, what German state to these belong to? Did officers wear the marksmanship lanyards? It is a great looking set of insignia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 Hi, Nope, I think he was promoted to Lt d. res and got the Lanyard while he was NCO. best Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Nice set love the tag Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Chris, These are the early pattern subdued boards. He must have been promoted early on, as the unit was formed at the end of 1914 and this pattern was replaced (on paper at least) with the 9/21/1915 regulations. Very nice! Chip Edited July 5, 2013 by Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I know that Bavaria used blue and Saxon used green. Which state used the red, as seen here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I thought all used the same except the Bavarians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernhard H.Holst Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 I thought all used the same except the Bavarians. Hello ccj: The book "Uniformen der Deutschen Infanterie 1888 bis 1914 in Farbe " by R.Herrmann, J, Nguyen and R. Bernert ( Uniforms of the German infantry 1888 to 1914 in color)from 2003 lists Bavaria as the only exception to the colors of the markmanship lanyards. When these lanyards were instituted by Emperor Wilhelm II in 1894 they were to bear the Imperial colors of Germany, Black, White and Red. However Bavaria used the Bavarian colors of white/blue while the grades' distinctions were identical. With the 5th class the rosettes had gold colored metal medallions displaying the cyphers of the reigning monarchs (Prussia, Wuerttemberg and Saxony) while Bavaria used their kingdom's heraldic insignia. As an aside: Bavaria was able to gain certain exceptions pertaining to their military when the 2nd German Reich was formed in 1871. I believe they maintained their own General Staff and War Ministry for example. Bernhard H. Holst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 I thought that green was used on the Saxon shoulder board underlay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 I think I have seen a Saxon Green one. I cant say 100% sure, but I seem to remember bidding on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Paul, Regarding shoulder boards, the color of the underlay has nothing to do with the state. The colors, depending on the model, can indicate a corps color, a traditional regimental facing color or a branch color. The state is normally indicated by the color of the darts (Faden) or threads in the cording. Green or green/white would be for Saxony, blue or blue/white for Bavarian and so forth. In the case of the RIR.263 the color of the underlay is red because the unit was formed in the IV.Armee Korps, which had red for the corps color. The color of the darts are black, indicating that the unit is Prussian. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adler 1 Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 That's indeed a very nice set! Adler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 OK, this is the dude.... Leutnant d. L. Hermann Jödicke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Can you zoom in on his medal bar please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 Thats as good as it gets I am afraid... I dont have the original.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 Accorn is missing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 So I am guessing he was Vizefeldwebel, got the company doftag with "1" , was then promoted Lt. d. L. and maybe/probably changed companies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin L Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I wonder if "1" means anything more than that he was first to receive his dog-tag. Does it have anything to do with rank / seniority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 Usually the tags are done according to the company roll. Company roll starting with the Highest NCO, then going down in rank, each rank with the names in alphabetical order. So usually the 1 would be the top dog NCO of the company. Best Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 Here is the rest of the group..... he is a typical career NCO who then became a civil servant.... he never lost a paper.... lookit the nose hair..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 05/07/2013 at 21:17, Bernhard H.Holst said: Hello ccj: The book "Uniformen der Deutschen Infanterie 1888 bis 1914 in Farbe " by R.Herrmann, J, Nguyen and R. Bernert ( Uniforms of the German infantry 1888 to 1914 in color)from 2003 lists Bavaria as the only exception to the colors of the markmanship lanyards. When these lanyards were instituted by Emperor Wilhelm II in 1894 they were to bear the Imperial colors of Germany, Black, White and Red. However Bavaria used the Bavarian colors of white/blue while the grades' distinctions were identical. With the 5th class the rosettes had gold colored metal medallions displaying the cyphers of the reigning monarchs (Prussia, Wuerttemberg and Saxony) while Bavaria used their kingdom's heraldic insignia. As an aside: Bavaria was able to gain certain exceptions pertaining to their military when the 2nd German Reich was formed in 1871. I believe they maintained their own General Staff and War Ministry for example. Bernhard H. Holst Hello ,Bavaria retained many prerrogatives about her Army. in fact it was an indenpendent Army . the Koniiglich Bayerisch Army was organized in three Army Corps numbered apart . The supreme commander of Bavarian Army was the King of Bavaria. assisted by his War Minister and Staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Bayern said: Hello ,Bavaria retained many prerrogatives about her Army. in fact it was an indenpendent Army . the Koniiglich Bayerisch Army was organized in three Army Corps numbered apart . The supreme commander of Bavarian Army was the King of Bavaria. assisted by his War Minister and Staff. Hi, this is true only during peace time as far as I know. GreyC Edited August 20, 2018 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Hello, Yes , but at the beggining of the war the Bavarian Army , of three Corps ,a Reserve Corps and a Cavalry Division fought as a whole into the 6th Army . from the autumm of 1914 onwards this identity was slowly desintegrating. but never the Bavarian spirit of self determination decayed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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