dedehansen Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Hi Gents, today I want to show you the medal bar from Feldwebelleutnant Johann Ruckert Enjoy Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Nice bar. How did you make the identification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 21 minutes ago, dond said: Nice bar. How did you make the identification? Hi Don, fortunately I could buy it from the family and there was the citation from the Lebensrettungsmedaille too. Thereafter a friend of mine made a crosscheck via ancestry.de Kind regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Oh dear Lord!! What a bar! I have not seen too many NCO attributed bars! I've never seen a Bavarian Lebensrettungsmedaille. Does anyone know what he did during WW2? Also, what is the rank equivalent for a Feldwebelleutnant? Was this man considered to be an officer? Maybe like a Chief Warrant Officer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 1 hour ago, Paul R said: Oh dear Lord!! What a bar! I have not seen too many NCO attributed bars! I've never seen a Bavarian Lebensrettungsmedaille. Does anyone know what he did during WW2? Also, what is the rank equivalent for a Feldwebelleutnant? Was this man considered to be an officer? Maybe like a Chief Warrant Officer? Thanks Paul, I think that you are right with equivalent Chief Warrant Officer. He was born on October 3rd 1876, so I´m sure, that he didn´t do any service in WW2. Cheers Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 Oh dear Lord!! What a bar! I have not seen too many NCO attributed bars! I've never seen a Bavarian Lebensrettungsmedaille. Some close - up from the Bavarian lifesaving medal. Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 For me, this is the central most item on the bar. Are you able to complete any research on this man? I would love to know the deed that resulted in the lifesaving medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padro Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Hi great bar, thanks for sharing. The medal in second place must be wrong though. That ribbon, post 1913 and his rank mean it should be a MVK 1st class with swords. That medal is a pre 1905 MVK. I'm still envious though!! Regards Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Were men of this rank "saluted" and considered to be officers? How can you tell that the MVK is pre 1905? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rujab Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hi Andreas. Klasse Spange. Gruss Rudi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 15 hours ago, Paul R said: For me, this is the central most item on the bar. Are you able to complete any research on this man? I would love to know the deed that resulted in the lifesaving medal. Hi Paul, I was lucky. He got the medal for saving a soldiers life from drowning in the Donau at Neuburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Very nice. Any other paperwork to show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 48 minutes ago, dond said: Very nice. Any other paperwork to show? There were only his citation for the lifesaving medal and his Führungszeugnis Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Very wonderful bar. As the swords on the MVO are incorrect (and upside down) for for the 1866 to 1905 awards as well as the ribbon it makes you wonder why he replaced an award with a rather scare award, or is the more common ribbon the only one the taylor had available when he added the 1934 hindenburg cross? chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 5 minutes ago, chuck said: Very wonderful bar. As the swords on the MVO are incorrect (and upside down) for for the 1866 to 1905 awards as well as the ribbon it makes you wonder why he replaced an award with a rather scare award, or is the more common ribbon the only one the taylor had available when he added the 1934 hindenburg cross? chuck Hi chuck, all the medals are contemporary. I think the taylor made a mistake with the MVK ribbon when he added the hindi cross. Ruckert got his MVK for action in China. I believe that the swords were lost when the MVK was damaged and he replaced them with these swords. Cheers Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Most impressive. The citation alone is stuff of dreams. Thank you for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 very nice bar which gave me a chance to read about Bavarian awards, and have a http://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/deutsche-staaten/militarverdienstkreuz-ohne-flammen-mit-schwertern-vergl-oek-418.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Dale Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Great bar, thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Beautiful Medal Bar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 It's my understanding that the earliest awards of the MVO without flames had swords as a private purchase item, perhaps his jeweler simply mounted them wrong? Here's an example sans swords that passed through my hands I know I had at least 1 bar with the piece mounted with private purchase swords but after scanning 700+ images I cannot find the bar yet. Bear with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) On 9.2.2016 at 00:44, Stogieman said: It's my understanding that the earliest awards of the MVO without flames had swords as a private purchase item, perhaps his jeweler simply mounted them wrong? Here's an example sans swords that passed through my hands I know I had at least 1 bar with the piece mounted with private purchase swords but after scanning 700+ images I cannot find the bar yet. Bear with me. Hi Rick, thanks for showing your´s MVK. Private purchase swords are possible for 1866 and 1870/71 not for examples awarded for China, from this times official issued MVK´s were awarded with swords. Regards Andreas Edited February 14, 2016 by dedehansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Another impressive and most interesting group, thanks for sharing! On 27/11/2015 at 14:29, dedehansen said: I think the taylor made a mistake with the MVK ribbon when he added the hindi cross. I don't think he did: The war ribbon was the proper one after the 1913 change of regulations. On bars that were assembled from that point on, you can find MVOs and MVKs with swords on the war ribbon, even if they had been awarded on the older, then peace time ribbon. I'm rather sure this was officially allowed, but cannot prove this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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