Rolls

[David M]

I am trying to figure out which rolls have been published and or tramscribed . There used to be a post on this but I cannot seem to find it.

[Deruelle]

Hi David

Her you can find all rolls published till now. Many more will be published in the future (I hope).

I hope it will help

Christophe

[David M]

Thanks! Exactly what I was looking 4!

[David M]

Just a quick question: the title of the first volume lets me to believe that there should not be any need for the majority of the other volumes. Why were not all odm for every officer published in the MWB?

[Deruelle]

David,

In the first book, you find only Prussian orders and who received them. In the second part, it's not complete at all. You can find more information about orders in books like Die Badener im Weltkriege. Same for Wurttemberg, Saxon. I have all of these books in my library.

[Dave Danner]

Even in peacetime the MWB often failed to report all non-Prussian awards to Prussian officers. This was often the case for Reserve and Landwehr officers who received their awards in their peacetime capacity. During the war, the reporting of foreign awards stopped almost entirely and the reporting of other German state awards was limited to Bavaria, Saxony and Württemberg and even this fell off after a while. 

Bavaria and Württemberg continued to report awards through most of the war, and those lists have been published, but even these are missing many awards which were not gazetted in the Bavarian and Württemberg equivalents of the MWB. Saxony, like Prussia, stopped including foreign awards fairly quickly.

The reason why Bavaria stopped publishing all awards should be obvious from the picture below. These are the 1914, 1915/1, 1915/2, 1916/1, 1916/2 and 1917/1 volumes of the Verordnungsblatt des Königlich bayerischen Kriegsministeriums. The sheer number of Iron Cross awards, as well as the newer König-Ludwig-Kreuz for non-combat merit, made the second half of 1916 more than twice the length of the first half.

[David M]

Thanks to both of you for expanding my knowledge on the subject. Greatly appreciated. 

Edited April 16, 2020 by David M

[Mattyboy]

Hi Dave, 

Nice explanation and photo. Do you know if the 1914-1918 Bavarian Verordnungsblatt are available to view online? 

Matt. 

[Dave Danner]

They are available through 1920 for US IP addresses. I am not sure how late they go for European IP addresses. The restrictions are due to the differing copyright laws in other countries. 

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000055475

[GreyC]

Hi,

full view till 1879, limited search till 1920.

Best,

GreyC

[Mattyboy]

thanks guys  

[Deruelle]

Hi everybody

The research still goes on.

Now about Saxon orders

I have found for  :

- St Henry knight cross : 2739 names (Roth gave 2729 names)

- Merit Order knight cross 1st class with X : 435 names (Roth gave 416 names).

- Merit Order knight cross 2nd class with X : 1873 names (Roth gave 1833 names)

Christophe

[ixhs]

Do you have a Schmidt  in your list, who get the St. Henry knight?

His rank should be: Oberleutnant or Hauptmann.

Yes, i know it is a very common name....

[Deruelle]

Hi

27 Schmidt

Bruno, Hauptmann IR 177

Johannes OLt LIR 101

Kurt  Hauptmann RFAR 23

Kurt OLt PB 12

Rudolf OLt d.R.  RFR 32

I hope it will help

Christophe

[Dave Danner]

Johannes Schmidt was an OLt.d.L.

Also, a sixth: Wilhelm Schmidt, Hptm.d.R. in EIR 23.