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    Interested in Imperial German Medical/Non-Combatant awards and British medals named to Maltese recipients

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  1. I'm a bit late to this thread, but it would be great if we could have some further discussion on this medal. I too have an example of this on a medal bar, and the back is stamped with the same silver mark as in the opening post of this thread. A cursory search on google images shows the backs of four of these medals, only one of which is marked in a similar fashion. Does anyone know why the discrepancy in materials used for an award which was bestowed in such low numbers? Was the bronze version awarded first and the award later made out of silver? Is this plausible in light of a wartime economy, when other awards that had been using precious metals were now being made out of cheaper materials? Furthermore, does anyone know the true number awarded - figures range from 18 (which seems absurdly low, considering there is at least half that number thrown up in a quick google search) to a few hundred? Lars - on the examples that I've seen for this medal, in most cases the ribbon's red stripes seem to be narrower than those on the ribbon of the Friedrich August Kreuz and House Order. Regards, Matthew
  2. Judging by the other two medical awards on the bar, one of those ribbons could conceivably represent that award of Mecklenburg-Schwerin's Friedrich-Franz-Alexandra Kreuz. Would certainly be a rare example if so.
  3. The fifth ribbon could be one of the numerous bravery awards from Bulgaria during the First World War, and the ribbon in the last place is likely to represent the Russian Medal of Zeal or one of the associated Russian orders.
  4. Hmmm... my most plausible choice would be... 1.) Iron Cross 2nd Class - no real other choice here 2.) Bavarian Military Merit Cross 2nd Class with swords - this is where it gets interesting. With regards to the 3rd class of the cross, those were actually not to commonly issued on the beamtenband - and I think that the 1st class would be too much of a stretch for someone with no Bavarian long service award. The medal would appear to have hung at the same height as the others, so that would exclude the possibility of a crown. I suppose it could be a Military Merit Order 4th class... but my gut feeling would be to go for the former. 3.) Hindenburg Cross: Even if it wasnt already hung there, very little other plausible choice. 4.) 1911 Luitpold Medaille: Once again, I think the lack of a Bavarian long service award makes the 1905 version, whilst not impossible, implausible. 5 & 6.) Could be Wehrmacht long service award or Treuedienst Ehrenzeichen - a little out of my field this one.
  5. Nothing immediately springs to mind in the case of the second ribbon - but could the first ribbon be that for the Brunswick War Merit Cross on non-combatant ribbon? The medal would hang a little high up admittedly but it would certainly fit the overall bar combination-wise.
  6. A few bars do exist with more than one cross on them. Although not official, I imagine it wasn't hard for a determined person to get hold of the one they didn't apply for with millions of them floating around.
  7. If we completely discount the devices as later attachments and as non-official, I wouldn't discount it so quickly. It seems as though we've got from left to right: 1.) Sachsen Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2.)? 3.) Olga Orden 4.) Colonial Medal 5.) Siamese award (Order of the White Elephant?) 6.) China Medal 7.) Japanese Red Cross award 8.) Prussian Long Service Award - could in reality be others too So... a well-travelled doctor, possibly from Saxony? The Saxon connection is not only due to the Kriegsverdienstkreuz, but also the Weltkrieg bar and the fact that the miniature iron crosses on ribbon bars are mostly found on Saxon bars. Since I don't know what the second award is the crown might be correct on it too. An interesting one for sure.
  8. I'd definitely go for the first one - but I collect to medics and non-combatants - so I'm heavily biased.
  9. They do exist, I have a medal bar in my collection with only a Prussian red cross 3rd class medal, Oldenburg Friedrich August Cross and Legion of Honour Veteran's Medal. Others can be seen for both states, generally the 2nd class cross allied with a Cross of Honour. As an aside, Lippe-Detmold had it's own military merit medal whose rules were a little convoluted, but if I remember correctly was awarded to wounded soldiers who had not received the EK.
  10. The Bavarian Militar-sanitats-orden 1st klasse would be a good shout. Only 11 awarded.
  11. Maybe the engraving is different because Chris' example is a Spangenstueck, although that doesn't explain the lack of the name in the book...
  12. The Kriegsehrenmedaille (the one on the medal bar) was generally a home front award. It could be awarded either on the non-combattant ribbon or the combattant one, as could Lippe's Kriegsehrenkreuz (their basic bravery award). My comment reflected the fact that it would be far more likely to see a Kriegsehrenkreuz in this combination, however the fact that the construction of the bar looks good, and that the Kriegsehrenmedaille (already rare in itself) was even more rarely awarded on the combatant ribbon, tends to make me like it. One of our members has an excellent website on the awards of Lippe-Detmold: http://www.hausorden.de/
  13. Construction looks good, although the Kriegsehrenmedaille, rather than the Kriegsverdienstkreuz, is a bit strange.
  14. redeagleorder

    Your Family in the "Great War" 1914-18

    Two of my family members served in WW1, both in the Royal Navy. My maternal great-grandfather Peter Mejlaq and also Emanuele Zammit from my father's side of the family. Coincidentally both were at Gallipoli. All that has survived are a few photos and postcards from my paternal great-grandfather (who served on the Hibernia), some of which are quite interesting as they show a particular naval ship on the obverse and on the reverse contain notations such as 'this ship was blown up by a mine on' a certain date. Will try to dig them out from amongst the family pile... Unfortunately all the medals were either lost or looted as both houses were destroyed during WW2 bombing raids.