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The fleece looks surprisingly similiar to the one of the Duke of Württemberg i posted above.

I think it can be compared to the english "Esquire"

Ah, yes now it's obvious...

Wonderful group indeed, I hope it gets preserved as a group for another 100 years and more. Here a rough translation of the back: Geschrieben 30. März 1966 Richard Schöner Auch wenn Orden- u. Ehrenzeichen in den Augen vieler Menschen - insbesondere solcher, die es zu keinen gebracht haben - nichts bedeuten, wäre es ein arm- seliges Zeugnis solchen Familienbesitz nicht in Ehren hochzuhalten. Man denke dabei an die schwarzen Kriegszeiten, in denen sie verliehen wurden! Obere Reihe: Hauptmann d. R. Richard Schöner 1914/18 das silberne Verwundeten Abzeichen u. 3 weitere Orden fehlen in der (?) untere Reihe: Major d. R. Ludwig Michael Schöner 1914/18 written on March 30th 1966 Richard Schöner Although ODMs mean nothing in the eyes of many people - especially to those, who did not get any - it would be a poor testimony to not hold such family possessions in high honour. One should think of the dark times of war in which they were awarded! Upper row: Hauptmann d. R. Richard Schöner 1914/18 the silver wounded badge and 3 other orders are missing in the (frame?) lower row: Major d. R. Ludwig Michael Schöner 1914/18

Hard to read; I have: Seestellung ... Blick auf das Leichenfeld (Seesoldaten) vom Sturmangriff am 9. Mai 1915

Thank You for explaining in such detail this very confusing topic. I have some issues of "Die Tradition", but not this one. It's an outstanding photo, having all those Musikmeisters together, with their very special uniforms. Here is a picture of the late Giltsch: Seems like they also didn't know about the different Stabshoboist/hornist/trompeter in this little biography, where he is called Stabshoboist

What makes this photo also special is that he is wearing the crown order with the red eagle order "Emailleband" (enameled ribbon)

Well described, that convinced me. Indeed the bands hanging out of the Bulgarian crown seem to support the illusion. Thanks!

I see that too. Looks like there is something above the Austrian MVK3

Happens to me at least once a week...

Thanks al lot for your kind comments! According to the entry in Meyers Konversationslexikon(1905) they discarded the wearing of weapons and only accepted the military-service when being forced. I guess they might have been sort of a source of unrest within the armed forces, why some generals/officers or other deciding authorities might have disliked them. Or they just were discriminated because of their beliefs. But all that is pure speculation. The book cited in the article "Der Nazarenismus" by Szeberényi might give answers. But apart from that, I wouldn't understand why a member of this group, when being a soldier like every other one, fulfilling all the rules, shouldn't get the cross.

Thanks for confirming, if someone is able to contact the author from the text on the OMSA-Website, would be great (i don't have an account there, if no one does I maybe create one) That is also why I couldn't believe this was actually true, it would definitely have been a great surprise to me. (and I would have felt deeply ashamed for the authorities.)

Update: Maybe those people are meant: (Meyers Konversationslexikon 1905)

@Christian1962 Regarding the troop cross discussion. If you look into the "Verordnungsblatt für das k. u. k. Heer / Normalverordnungen / 25. Stück / 6. Juli 1918 S. 129ff" you find the "Statuten und Durchführungsbestimmungen für das [...] Karl-Truppen-Kreuz" https://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex-day?aid=kkh&datum=19180706&seite=5&zoom=33 There you find on page 6 "Ad §3 Punkt 1." "8. Anspruch auf das Karl-Truppenkreuz haben:" and then under the letter n) (on page 8) "n) An Nazarener darf das Karl-Truppen-Kreuz nicht verliehen werden" (That's the sentence the author of the OMSA-Text cites) I am actually not sure if Jews are meant with this word - maybe one of you can help here Beside that, I found the article "Das österreichische Karl-Truppen-Kreuz " in the "Orden und Ehrenzeichen" magazine number 51 from 2007 by Walter A. Schwarz. There he lists all the Verordnungsblätter regarding the cross. I couldn't find the ones like "BH Nr. 45/1917/Z. 639/S. 472" with the signature "BH" at the Austrian national library. What does "BH" mean?

Well, yes, i have to admit something like "1. Komp" or just "1. K" would definitely make more sense. That it is the cross 1st class shouldn't be that hard to remember.