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Hi Laurentius! I just found a pic here which shows the ribbon of the PZM is much darker than I thought. So I do believe the first 4 are his prussian awards. EK2 KO4 PDA PZM

Thats certainly true. I am a little over-romanticising from time to time ?

Ah I see. What always surprised me is that someone in his position did not get any Central Powers awards, from Austria or Bulgaria. I found a date for his Iron Crescent online, but never found any proof wearing them. But no OEK3 or even an OMVK or something bulgarian. Dont know if the CPs east front aide von Müller did tho.

Could be the CP other aide Otto v. Müller

In the boyscouts series he is in the 3rd and last photo. Unfortunately, in one photo he is only visible by a part of his cap in the one and from the back in the other. But its definetely Louis ?

Whats HT?

So it would be 1. EK2 2. PZM 3. KO4 Louis career: * 14.03.1896 Diensteintritt als zweijähriger Freiwilliger (18.10.1896 Portepee-Fähnrich; 20.07.1897 Seconde-Leutenant 1900 im 1. Kompagnie; 11.09.1907 Oberleutnant) im Jäger Bataillon (westfälisches) Nr. 7, 1907 kommandiert zur Kriegsakademie, 21.03.1908 Versetzung zum 4. Garde Regiment zu Fuss, 13.09.1911 Adjutant (und 20.07.1912 Hauptmann) der 4. Garde-Infanterie-Brigade, Versetzung zum Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr 261, 00.02.1915 Kommandeur der 6. Kompagnie, 03.03.1915-Ende August 1915 Bataillonskommandeur, 27.01.1916 Versetzung in den Generalstab der Armee, 06.05.1916 persönlicher Adjutant Kronprinz v. Preussen, 27.01.1917 Major, 26.11.1918 ausgeschieden

In the first pic I am also kind of missing the PZM medal ribbon. It should be quite bright, being lemon yellow?

Could #8 in the first photo be the ribbon for the Braunschweig KVK?

Ah I see. Basically Georg had the 'bad luck' to in a hanseaten Regiment as hanseatic cities do not have any peacetime awards. Final question is on the background of the awards. I get the schaumburg-lippe award to Louis being an officer in JB7. The garrison was in Bückeburg. What about the Reuss award? Is it possible to find out the why behind this award to a JB7 officer?

Hi Laurentius Thanks for your input! PDA is for 25 years right? As his entry in militairy service was on 14.03.1896 he had 18 years service in 1914. There had to be another 7 years of service to get to 25. War years counted double, correct? So 1914 counted for 19 years iso 18, 1915 22 years, 1916 24 years meaning the PDA cannot be awarded until after 14.03.1917. Or did the prussians not count so strict?

In this photo Louis is wearing the uniform of a persönlicher Adjutant (in his case, to the Crownprince of Germany and Prussia) So at least we know the photo is taken after 06.05.1916. The photo is taken before 25.05.1918 as he is not wearing his PHO3X. I would like to try by means of identifying his decorations, to narrow the date of the photo down further. Easiest to see is his EK1 dated 19.07.1915 Then there is the Leinenkreuz of the Johanniterorden (for which I do not have a date), Interesting to me is to see that he does not wear the neck cross of the Order, which he does wear in later photo’s. As for now I do not know enough about this Order to tell if that is odd or not. Zooming in on his ribbonbar, I think I am able to count 11 different ribbons. His prewar awards totalled a number of 4, so in identifying the date of the photo, I would have to look at the 7 remaining decorations. Am I correct in assuming that as he was a Prussian officer, he would wear his Prussian awards first and that of his Prussian awards, he would wear his wartime awards first? 1. EK2 dated 13.09.1914 2. KO4 dated 29.05.1911 3. ?? 4. ?? 5. ?? 6. ?? 7. ?? 8. ?? 9. ?? 10. ?? 11. ?? In an obvious later photo of Louis, which is not of a great quality, Rick L. was able to see 15 separate medals some years ago. Second photo: 1.EK2 2.PHO3X 3.KO4 4.PZM 5.SAlb3aX 6.BZL2bmEuX 7.BraunschwKVK 8.SLKfTD 9.LDKvK 10. Hamb HansK 11. Bremen HansK 12. ?? 13. SLEK4 14. REK3 15.??

Hi Komtur Would it be as easy for you to check for any decorations to the other MvM, Louis' brother Georg? I have a bunch of his wartime decorations, but I would like to know if he got anything else (either prewar or wartime). He is not in any wartime rolls published so far or in the DOA 1908/9. He did get the PHO3X date known EK1 and 2 dates unknown OMVK3 date unknown SLK2 date known And I am hoping to add anything.

Great info! Where did you find that letter to him? Do you have a connection in your own researchinterests?

Thats quick! Thanks a lot

Hi Having some time on my hands because of this corona-infested era, I am, next to catching up on my reading, trying to fill in some gaps. Phaleristically, I have this one: somewhere between the publication of the DOA of 1908/9 and the beginning of WW1, Louis von Müldner, the subject of my research on and of for the last 25 years, was awarded the KO4. Would it be at all possible to determine the date of this award?

Hi Ulsterman! What is the status on the hanseatic rolls projects? I would love to know! Does anyone happen to know the situation on the rolls, if available of the Braunschweig KVK ?

Thanks to both of you for expanding my knowledge on the subject. Greatly appreciated.

Just a quick question: the title of the first volume lets me to believe that there should not be any need for the majority of the other volumes. Why were not all odm for every officer published in the MWB?

Thanks! Exactly what I was looking 4!

I am trying to figure out which rolls have been published and or tramscribed . There used to be a post on this but I cannot seem to find it.

I will try amazon. None of my mails to Autengruber in the last 10+ years were ever answered by him

So how does one order it? No links on the website to an order form

Beautiful! Was this a common award to german soldiers?

So what does that last one look like? Never heard of it before