David M

Well although it is youthfull enthusiasm form my side, I would say, take me up on it Rick!! I am sure we will find other people more than willing to work on the lists as well! For privat mailing about this, Daniel K has my gmail address. regards David

Very helpfull !!! and so many to! I will add them to the data I already have (I have him as a CHWO2b ofcourse) and will try to find more dates for the awards. It could make sense (the order of abbreviations that is) and I will try and find at least the GHVP1 and NGOdE1 to try and prove it. Will let you know what I find out. As a matter of fact, I am working the foreign recipients of the CHWO in the exact same way as for their awards. First other or previous kurhessian, then the domestic awards and the rest in chronological order. It is in my opinion the most logical way to work, as I also represent their career chronologically (at least the 1851-1866 era career, including the last position held and the date of peniosn if available). regards David

The photo reminds me of a puupet I saw once. Cannot remember if it was a muppet or a freggle. Without ensulting the Reverend, the puppet I recall (only vaguely ofcourse) looks just like him with that chin, nose and the hair backwards. but that's just LOL, please forgive me :off topic:

Well we managed to do the L?beck in an international team. Why not put the Orderslist on a CD of scans and hace them typed out by a group of people. If anyone would have (one o) these orderlists, I would be happy to volunteer as first typing drone :-) (on the job I do something similar) After all it does not need to be finished next week, right? Making no money at all ... who cares, science (especially history) hardly ever does, in my opinion although we cannot go without! So please let me know if I can help out in anyway! regards David

Hi Rick I checked my data and yours does not correspond with Hans Gustav v. Gersdorff. He received the SAO1 in 1878. You describe (very usefull to me as well) the ODM of Georg Rudolf (most likely related) von Gersdorff. He was the Ober-Hofmarschall (at least in my CHWO data. Hans Gustav received the CHWO2b in 1853 and the HG2b in the 1850's. I would like to know the ODM of the latter v. Gersdorff as well should he be mentioned in one of your STB. regards David

Hi Rick Thanks that's great. Do you also have an earlier Sachson STB to see if he got all this GC's as GCs right away or that he might received a lower grade first. regards David

Thanks Beau and Rick! Why not put the names and dates in the Ludvigsen reprint as well....just over a 100 regards David

Hi I am looking for the entry of Hans Gustav v. Gersdorff the royal saschon Ober-Ceremonienmeister and Ober-Kammerherr (per his entry in the referencebook on the Sachson-Albert Orden) in 1878. I would be very interested in his other ODM. So should have anyone have a sachson Staatshandbuch (....as late as possible) I would be very happy with your help regards David

Hi I have some questions on the PKO(3)aE. Were they awarded for a specific war? Where they awarded all at the same time? I have a Friedrich Lichthammer with following data, and I would like to know if the exact date of his PKO3aE is possible to find. My data so far Friedrich Lichthammer (geboren 00.04.1818, gestorben 1875<) 1854 Bahn-Ingenieur und Vorstand der Verwaltung der Main-Neckar-Bahn, 1866 Baurath ; Geheimer Baurath. 26.12.1858 GHVP3; 01.08.1871 GHLO3a; RStA3(D.i.B.) 20.07.1857 etc. (RStS3bmK; RStW3); BSMO3a; GEO3; PKO3aE. StaD R21C (Beamtenkartei). regards David So to explain the composition of his entry Name (date and place of birth and death); profession in the 1851-1866 era (which was when the CHWO was awarded (using the ; to indicate that the next description is of his post 1866 career. ODM dates of awards in fron of the abbreviation of the order, dates of allowance to wear behind the abbr., domestic awards first in chronological order, followed by the other awards in chronological order. Sources I used to find these data. Should anyone would like to comment on the composition or direct me in to doing it in another fashion, please let me know. regards David

I do not see the neckbadge either. I thought the pinback (CCI?) Would come with a neckbadge always? regards David

Von Sichart got promoted fairly quickly as well. My 2 cents on these guys Eduard Heinrich von Treitschke (geboren Dresden 1796, gestorben Dresden 1867) (k?niglich s?chsischer Adelsstand 25.07.1821, Diplom 12.09.1821); 21.09.1849 Generalmajor und Chef des Generalstabs, 1851 Commandeur der 2. Infanterie-Division, 1856 gleichzeitig Gouverneur von Dresden (1857 Generallieutenant), 1859 Commandant der Festung K?nigstein, 11.04.1866 pensioniert. 04.07.1849 StH; 20.10.1863 SAO2a; BHLO1; HG1; OEK3; SEHO1; SCGE GHdA Bd 134 AL Bd XV S.3; Richter; Verlohren S. 513. Karl Adolf von Sichart (geboren Dresden 1797, gestorben 04.12.1854); 16.10.1851 Generalmajor 1853 Commandeur der 1. Infanterie-Division und der Leib-Infanterie-Brigade, gleichzeitig Gouverneur von Dresden. 27.05.1849 StH; 1849 PROA2X; BZL1; OEK1; 1849 OLO2mkD. Klenau Nr 3008; Richter; Verlohren S. 491. Should anyone be able to name me the Richter pagenumbers, that would be greatly appreciated

Hi SPM Thanks for that, I will add it to his entry.

Hi Christophe! Thanks for that, what was your source, is there any mentioning of their further career? regards David

Hi As I was so fortunate with my request with regard to the Baden Carl Friedrich Order, I would also like to try the same for the Sachson St Henry Order. This time I am looking for the entry of Eduard von Treitschke, who allegedly received the order in 1849 (according to Verlohren) Carl Adolph von Sichart (same year) I would like to know if there is just info on the event which was the cause for the award (which I would not really be interested in) or also the remainder of the career of both men ( which would interest me a great deal!! ) thanks for any help regards David

Hi SPM Great thanks for that....however I could not find the title with that writer (I was working on the sources on Roggenbach's biographical entry) Do you have the full bibliographical data as well as the page number for me? Thanks and regards David

Hi I am looking for the entry of Johann Franz Karl Emanuel Malchus (von) Falder(e)n (28.03.1804->1874) 1830 b?hmischer Ritterstand. He was in militairy service as Secondelieutenant in the 7th Uhlanen-Regiment and in the 28th landwehr-Regiment. He ended his militairy career in 1837 Any extra data would be appreciated regards David

Hi I am looking for details of a baden officer, who was a recipient of the Carl Friedrich Order. Now I am hoping there is somekind of book on the Knights of this order, describing their complete career? If so, I would be very interested in the entry of Johann Nepomuk Julius Constantin Freiherr von Roggenbach who received the award 1813. regards David

Hi Komtur Thanks for that. Although I did know of his apperance in Schr?der, I find the book to be somewhat inaccurate in some cases(to say the least), including the fact that I could not Schr?der mentioning any sources for his data. regards David

Hi I am looking for a possible entry on the above mentioned Generalmajor. He was from Sachsen-Meiningen but went over to prussian service as Generalmajor z.D. in 1871. My question is: would he be in the Kleist volumes on prussian generals? The 2 mentioned in Priesdorff are probably his sons (and not really interested to me). Thanks! regards David

And its really nice and cool in the Archives as well.....but then again, I cannot stand 25+ C myself

Maybe another (former) aide de camp to a member of the Imperial House? There must be a list somewhere. It is not M?ldner, that is for sure. regards David

I have a photo somewhere of the ??-wedding anniversary of the Imperial Crownprince-Couple where his longyear aide M?ldner wears a similar HHO2b. He only got a HHO3X during the war, so it must be exile as well. Will try and find it regards David

That would be great. No rush, enjoy your stay in Baden :-) regards David

Hi I have this entry on one of my CHWO4 winners (obviously from saxony) and I was wondering what the composition of its army was like in this period. I cannot discover regiments.... Hauptmann und Adjutant im 2. Infanterie-Bataillon, 1858-1860 Hauptmann in der 1. Infanterie-Brigade, 1861 Major in der 2. Infanterie-Brigade ?Prinz Maximilian?, 1862 Commandeur des 11. Infanterie-Bataillons in der Infanterie-Brigade ?Prinz Georg? (1866 Oberstlieutenant); regards David

Joseph LAUTERBORN (geboren 1875, gestorben 31.07.1837); in k?niglich westphalischen Diensten 1811 Adjudant des 2. Leichten Bataillons, 18.09.1811 Unterleutnant im 3. Leichten Bataillon, 1812 zum 2. Leichten Bataillon 20.02.1813 Premierleutnant und Adjutant der J?ger-Garde, 1813 in kurhessischen Diensten, 1814 Premierlieutenant im 2. Landwehr-Regiment, commandiert zum Grenadier-Bataillon von Haller, 29.11.1814 zum Regiment Kurf?rst versetzt, 1815 Abschied auf Nachsuchen, 1815 in k?niglich preussisschen Diensten ?bernommen, 03.10.1815 Kapit?n im 8. rheinischen Landwehr-Infanterie-Regiment, 31.05.1816 1 Jahre Urlaub mit halbes Gehalt, 13.04.1817 dem Infanterie-Regiment (3. westf?lischen) Nr 18 aggregirt, 00.05.1817 Infanterie-Regiment (1. rheinisches) Nr 25 aggregiert, 22.03.1822 pensioniert. 03.03.1813 WK2b L?nsmann; Woringer-K just this should be edited though. David