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thansk fr your input! I beleiev this man died in 1976; but I can't traduce the hand-written lines on the right page...

hello gentlemen, as far as I can remember, I never seen this doc in this section. I had the chance to find this booklet for a few bucks in Ciney, Belgium, lost amongst a pile of junk. I'd be happy to have some lights from hungarian-speaking fellow members :rolleyes:

ok Rick, thanks a lot for your - as always fast - input! I had forgoten BM was for 10 years service and Lenin for 25 years. About the first veteran ribon bar , I believe to have been extremly lucky as it has a clear history streaming directly from the veteran to Paul's pocket, and it bears a suvorov 3rd class ribon... a group nearly identical to one I own.

and a serie of duty officers... I'd like to discuss them. They could not be legit, but I honnestly believe them to be so. I think we could discuss various hypothesis about them. the 1st left: red star and medals for military accompishments for a 1960-70' officer? the 2nd left: a full career begining just after the war (full serie of military jubilees), a VoG and BM for WW2 accomplishment, a red star for 10 years and then 2nd and 1st class of irreprochable service? the 3rd on right: a classic short bar for a 70-80' officer? thanks for yours opinions! ;)

second serie: 2 "classic" veterans bars on the second one, on the right, could we consider the last ribon (VoG) as a cloth for the 25years badge?

for your viewing pleasure, I'd like to borrow Ed's topic: 3 veterans ribons bars; the first one is coming from Paul Schmitt's estate.

hello, I believe too this is a great idea. But you must choose between a service jacket (with ribons bar and a few insignias) or parade one (full medals). I believe there're too many insignias and the ribon bar is too big for a simple soldier; the good point is to find some doc'. I see a proficiency badge for army, a distinguiehed soldier badge, a big LM badge... I'm not sure this jacket deserves all of them. But this is a very good start! Those jackets are not easy to find...

please try at Andr? Husken's Gallerie d'histoire (Hamburg, Germany); he has an electronic library.

hello, this is not the sell-trade section...

hello Anatoly, where does it come from? Museum??

which is your source establishing I,II and II variations?

variation you said? ^^

first, we must fight with good documentation:

the figures change following the dates specified for calculating total amounts. PRL did award commemo medals until 1992. The definitive reference is Stephan Oberleitner. A seller propose his 3books on allegro.pl (domel103)

I might be wrong but 1st class is made of solid gold, 2nd and 3rd of solid silver. I've one 1st class, in Germany they're listed as "1992 sammleranfertigung", i.e. collector copy. I had several of these in hands and they're not in silver, just cast metal..

I agree; this is clearly rust colour 5i work on restauration object and rust is too familiar to me ); these ribbons have been stored next to a rusty object for an unknown time...

hello, I read my reference and found that in 1987 1487 medals have been awarded. This medal is not extremly rare and avalaible within the 50-100 euros range. This price is for me a disturbing point because it is not at all in connection with the extreme rarity of the medal... I would LOVE to see the Edwald Munshke medal :love:

I don't feel easy with the spanish war medal - not this one shown here, because I don't have definitive criterias to discuss about its authenticity - because they were awarded to a few hundred persons. I'll look tonight at ly polish reference source to give you the good number. In fact the only medal I'm sure about is a one being part a of the DDR general Edwald Munshke set. This big set was sold in a Carsten Zeige auction two or three years ago. Some fellow members of this forum did purchase some pieces, and I believe one of us has a unquestionable medal with its doc...

bonjour Christophe, I have received my "standart" copy this morning. This is a nice book, not as precise and deeply investigated, documented and categorized as McDaniels' old classic, but it fills a huge gap. Doesn't fill it up totally, but still nice book to have.

wow! well, I'm late and I need some more time to gather all datas; many thanks to everyone who pmed me and added somme infos here; I'll post all datas here. I hope this database will help us.

ehe, I call them "crocodile skin boxes", typical of the RSR-era. you've got a Romania Star of 5th class, the communist version of the traidtonnal royal order. It is a second type (the first one was an enameled red star with blue lines upon sun rays corolle). The ribbon isn't legit (for Labor medal, but I'm not sure).

hello; you got it at Ciney military fair?

well, gentlemen, no more than 3 red banner given on an april 28th, 1955; in the same range number 21-22000, s/n corrected...same handwritting... good or bad??? is that april 28 a specific day (like army day?)

thanks a LOT for this Stogieman! I like it! same stamp, same scale number for the 1955 year... and your red banner has not a serial number? (this is a point which could be forgered and yet happily has been not).

I'm trying to establish a database about bulgarian docs... as the orders are not numbered, but a few early ones, I'd like to find a chronological cohesion by examinating awards booklets serial numbers. First, I use a rough classification for the docs: * type 1: large rolled diplomas which followthe royal era tradition, awarded between 1945 and 1950-1955? *Type 2: small booklet, with only one page for the entry, followed immediately on the right page by the reglemenation pages; this type is nearly identical to the 1945 soviet orders booklet. * Type 3: small booklet, but two pages for entries; the left one bears award name, the right one bears a table with ukaz number and date; color pages is orangish. *Type 4: nearly identical, but pinkish pages and bears in background the 1971 coat-of-arms. *Type 5: from 1986, a double entry page, with recipient and order names typed, we don't see booklet number on these two pages. I believe serial numbers start from zero at each new type isued, while the Soviets used a same number scale for all their booklets (with help of alphabet letters they covered 50 years from 000000 to L-000000). any comment, help or kind advice will be greatly appreciated