hunyadi Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 If memory serves right - they have a slightly differnet pin system and the enamel is the horrid cold enamel.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hi all,Here are the latest additions to my small but growing Hungarian collection... with a HUGE THANKS to Charles for these wonderful gifts. Thank you my friend! You're the Greatest!!!! I've attempted to ID these and hope I did okay. Waiting to hear back from Charles for final confirmation... so without further ado... here goes:Service to the Fatherland Medal in silver: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Kivalo Munkaert (Excelent Job / Work) Medal... cased, but I'll have to do pics of it in the case later:The case is the red plastic style and very nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Excellent Workers Badge cased with miniature: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Membership Badge (and Miniature) of the Socialist Brigade:And a shot of both of these cased sets to show the covers with the dots in each corner:Again Charles, many thanks for these. My collection would still be sitting a two or three pieces without your help. I hope to be able to dive into the deep end of the pool in the next few months (knock on wood) but I'm so grateful to you for keeping things going and inspiring me to continue in this great area of collecting. God bless you my friend.Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 It was my pleaseure to help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 A rather intersting boxed Partiszan badge - #6301. High number, but a very custom case. Not the typical version as one commonly sees for these - so of course I could not pass it up. THe interior has a nuce crush velvelt lining in deep red with recesses as pin holders for the pins so that even the miniature does not roll around loose in the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 The reverse of the badges are also interesting as this is the first time I have seen the serial number engraved into the back of the miniature as well! I think this is may be a privatley purchased piece - or at least custom made case and engraving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 and the case - not the common style - the latch is not typical. The color of the case is also a deep red - not the bright red as seen on other cases. This color is seen on high end medals handed out by the government such as the Order of the Flag and Order of HUngarian Freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 and the back - notice the metal hinges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Craig Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 (edited) Charles,Congratulations on going back and buying that matched set. A very nice addition to your collection! Something for me to shoot for! That is indeed an unusual catch. Don't believe I've seen that one before.Cheers,Gordon Edited February 3, 2007 by Gordon Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Hi Charles,Indeed, another gorgeous set! You sure do have the luck in finding all these great and unusual pieces. Keep up the good work. Can't wait to see them all in person some day. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Great badge and the box is fantastic! I have 2 engraved minis and note that there are two different types of boxes out there-but I strongly suspect one 'set' I have is actually for the militia badge.Congratulations. The highest number I have seen of these (so far) is 69xx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 (edited) One source told me recently that there were 8000 partisan badges made. He of course didnt have hard proof, but he said that was the number. With more research and the numbers that keep showing up - its plausable. I think in the future we may see more of these in the higher numbers as it would go to suspect that the early numbers were awarded to 'early' partisans and threfore started dying off sooner. These things ahve just started showing up fairly regularly. It was a badge that I had considered rare, but within the last year...Anyhow - a year ago I was finding numbers in the 1000-4000 range and then just recently the 5000-6000 range is appearing. my only wish is that the prices would drop.As for cases, one feature that I find is the embossed frame around the rim of the lid as seen below. Most of the other awards that come in this shape of box seem to lack this detail. Also the Partisans always come in the red lined case - but so does the Heavy Industry Excellent Workers Badge. Anothr thing about the Partisan box is that the mini is always at the top and the badge at the bottom - most of the other cases for round badges have the mini at the bottom and hte badge at the top. The boxes also come sometimes with a latch - thougth I have now one without a latch. Still waiting to meet with my coleague to get in contact with the Partisan Association. (two weeks from now.) Edited February 4, 2007 by hunyadi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 OoV - Your example is the only one to exist - there was a push in the mid 60's to early 70's to have all sorts of badges for different professions in the serivces. The borderguard one you have is for someone who was a squad to company leader of a border region. (depending on the size and threat of unwanted folks coming into the country).The box you have for the 800 hour service medal is a late 70's to late 80's version. Wood and paper boxes were too costly to make so the injected mold plastic cases became the norm during this time.Nice start to your collection - I dont even have an 800 hour medal (I am stealing your photo gordon!!!)- but here is an example of all the badges they made for the army alone for wear on the dress tunicwhat are the badges in the middle row-the ones that look like cap badges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Craig Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 (edited) Ulsterman,I assume you were referring to the star shaped badges? If so, those are the Killian Sports Badges. They are worn about the right breast pocket and exist in earlier versions. Here is a picture of one in the box of badges. Following that is the earlier version of the same badge from the Rakoci era on one of my tunics. There is an earlier version that I have only seen a line drawing of in the Hungarian Army Gazette. Regards,GordonSorry, they got posted in reverse order to the way I uploaded them. The badge with KTP at the bottom is the Killian badge. Edited February 12, 2007 by Gordon Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Nice! So the Killian badge was awarded 1957-89? Was it commonly awarded? What was the criteria: 100 push ups, sit ups and a 6 minute mile or something? I went to a fair nearby and picked up a few hungarian items for almost nothing -8 Euros got me a killian badge, a brigade badge (bronze), academy badge and workers' militia badge. The man selling the stuff had piles of old Warsaw bloc stuff in a bucket-including a lot of Cuban and Albanian (which i did not buy as I had blown my extra walking about cash on "exotic" ribbon bars a few tables before).I did get this one below though-seems quasi official to me, some sort of commemorative or "I met my 5 year plan goals" or "Communist Youth 5 years service" award.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Nice! So the Killian badge was awarded 1957-89? Was it commonly awarded? What was the criteria: 100 push ups, sit ups and a 6 minute mile or something? I went to a fair nearby and picked up a few hungarian items for almost nothing -8 Euros got me a killian badge, a brigade badge (bronze), academy badge and workers' militia badge. The man selling the stuff had piles of old Warsaw bloc stuff in a bucket-including a lot of Cuban and Albanian (which i did not buy as I had blown my extra walking about cash on "exotic" ribbon bars a few tables before).I did get this one below though-seems quasi official to me, some sort of commemorative or "I met my 5 year plan goals" or "Communist Youth 5 years service" award..Gordon has done a little more research on the KISZ badges than I have. As for the Sport Badge - there was as Gordon mentioned many revisions. Future article for sure. Dont have the regs in front of me but I do have my short notes - in 1947 they made regulations for a "Honved Sportteajesitmeny" badge. It was to be oval in shape 50mm tall and 34mm wide. It was to come in three forms 1) Olympian 2) Honved Sportproba Bajnok Badge - in enamel 3) Honved Sportproba in gold. silver and iron. The lowwer part of the badge was to give the form in name (IE "Olympian") and then upper was supposed to have a mark for the grade (probably I, II, III??) The badge was supposed to be worn where the Horthy era Combat Leadeship Badge was worn (I recall the regs actually said that!) The badge came with a 1000 HUF award for the Olympian, 500 HUF for the second and 100 HUF for the third. These regs were bvery vague and never specified the requiremetns for the badge. Then in May of 1948 the whole thing was scrapped and it was decided to make just the "Haditorna" badge in three grades. Gold, Silver and Iron - but then the wording got interesting "it may be circular or oval but not to be more than 40mm in diameter eiter way. The badge may be held on with two prongs or a screwback. The badge will have the Kossuth coat of arms as the central feature" (the use of "MAY" indicated that they wrote these regs, but still had no idea as to what the thing was supposed to look like!) Then we hit paydirt on Sept 1, 1948 when it shows up with the requiremetns of the sport performance and the offical line drawing of what the badge was to look like. It was the star with the crossed swords and a central disc with the Kossuth coat of arms, below and between the lower arms what the banner for "Haditorna" - then in 1949 we find the first list of individuals who were awarded the first Haditorna badges - all eleven of them - so if you ever wonder why you will never find one with the Kossuth coat of arms on it....that is why. I did look into 1950 and 1951 at the lists of individuals who were awareded the badge - I would guess that about 1500 individuals won the badge each year. After 1951 they quit printing the lists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Craig Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Ulsterman,The KISZ badge is one of five awarded, yours being the top one. Starting with the number "1" they get progressively larger, have a wreath added etc. There is one more larger badge of the same design without a number that may be from the same series as it is of the same design pattern. I'm working on an article on KISZ and I'll save posting the series until then. By the way, I don't have a number five yet but I do have the rest of them. I spoke to the dealer I bought them from and he had been in KISZ but couldn't remember what they were awarded for. More research for the future!Cheers,Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Hunyadi-Sounds like a neat, concise article subject to me-can you find a photo of the award? Gordon-if you need my little badge I'll send it to you-I'll happily trade for something else (like a fire volunteer medal etc.).I'm sure the KISZ, with over 800,000 members in 1981 , must have resource materials littering the countryside the same way old Boy scout handbooks clutter flea markets over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 by the way-do you know what this is ?I thought it was Workers' Guard, but maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Doh!Never mind, it is Czech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Craig Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Ulsterman,It would be nice if there were KISZ reference material all over the place but just ain't so! There are lots of KISZ badges, awards etc. available but no way to tell what they were awarded for. Like pulling teeth to find the info. You have to love the chase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Cheers,Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard S Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Here are two types of the Distinction for Public Security Service.The Distinction for Public Security Service was founded in three grades by the President of the Hungarian Republic in 1947 to arward members of the police for long service or to defeat the public security.The award was abolished by the ministercouncil in 1951.The first degree was a gold medal with enamel, the second a silver and the third a bronze medal.The gold grade was awarded 16 times, the silver grade 16 times and the bronze grade 7225 times.Source: - A Magyar N?pk?zt?rsas?g Kit?ntet?sei - Nagy Magyar Kit?ntet?sk?nyvDistinction for Public Security Service, silver grade, Observe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard S Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) Distinction for Public Security Service, silver grade, Reverse Edited February 13, 2007 by Richard S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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