House Order of Hohenzollern - info needed

Dave Danner · October 14, 2020

Harry Nadrowski was an Oberst and Feldkommandant in World War II. His HOH3X was awarded on 15.10.1918, so there was about a month and half between the award and it being published in Die Presse. Due to the revolution, it was apparently not published in the Militär-Wochenblatt or Prussian Staatsanzeiger, but I found the date in his HPA personnel file. Born in 1888, he was living in Frankfurt am Main after World War II, but I haven't found a date of death.

Daniel Krause · October 14, 2020

Matt,

"Die Presse" and other local Papers were sometimes even faster than the official publications.

If Nadrowski would have been a local businessman or lawyer and not a career Reichswehr Officer, we would have missed him until now.

I've noticed publication delays in the Militärwochenblatt up to 3 months.

Most of the awards of the HOH3X end of September up to the Abdication did therefor not make it in the MWB or Staatsanzeiger.

Best,

Daniel

Mattyboy · October 14, 2020

Great stuff. Here's another - Hptm dR Rüffer, mentioned in Schleschische Zeitung Nr 576 dated 10th Nov 1918:-

Daniel Krause · October 15, 2020

Matty, thanks!!

Georg Rüffer, born 1871 was an Amtsgerichtsrat in Breslau and Reserve Captain, originally from the Foot Artillery.

As well never mentioned in the official publications due to the late award.

I did know his HOH3X already from the Mitgliederverzeichnis Landwehrkasino Breslau.

You see, there are quite odd sources....

Best,

Daniel

webr55 · October 15, 2020

I would suggest something for proceeding: since one of the key sources is the regimental histories, could we list those regimental histories that have been checked already? Then others could have a focused look at those histories that have not yet been looked into.

Mattyboy · October 15, 2020

Hi webr55,

Sounds like a good idea in theory. But as there are so many regimental histories, it would probably take too long to list the ones that haven't been researched yet.

Here is an interesting obituary notice for Lt Hermann Runge.

Daniel Krause · October 15, 2020

Matty, Great!!

Webr55, I can do it.

Best,

Daniel

Daniel Krause · October 16, 2020

Until now, I checked 494 Regimental Histories.

For obvoius reasons, it might be easier, if I list 127 missing ones:

lets start with Prussian Infantry.

So if anybody has one of the following, pls check for nice Portraits and mentioning of Hohenzollern awards :-)

2.GRR   LIR 93   LIR 430
GRJB   IR 94   IR 440
RER 1   RIR 99   IR 441
RER 4   RIR 110   IR 446
GR 6   LIR 110   IR 451
RIR 7   RIR 111   IR 452
LIR 8   LIR 111   IR 457
LSIR 10   IR 117   IR 464
LIR 12   LIR 118   IR 466
IR 14   RIR 130   IR 471
LIR 20   IR 131   StB 1
LSIR 20   IR 137   StB 5
IR 21   IR 141   JB 1
RIR 22   IR 144   RJB 1
IR 24   IR 156   JB 2
RIR 25   IR 162   RJB 2
LIR 27   IR 164   RJB 3
IR 28   IR 166   JB 4
LIR 28   IR 169   RJB 6
IR 29   IR 175   JB 8
LIR 29   IR 186   JB 9
IR 30   IR 187   JB 11
RIR 30   IR 188   JB 14
LIR 30   RIR 203   RJB 20
LIR 33   RIR 206   RJB 21
RIR 34   RIR 212   RJB 22
LIR 35   RIR 220   JB 27
RIR 36   RIR 222
LIR 36   RIR 224
LIR 46   RIR 227
IR 54   RIR 228
IR 59   RIR 231
IR 60   RIR 234
IR 61   RIR 238
RIR 65   RIR 252
LIR 66   RIR 253
IR 68   RIR 256
IR 69   RIR 257
RIR 69   RIR 271
LIR 72   IR 331
RIR 73   IR 332
LIR 74   IR 333
RIR 75   IR 347
LIR 75   IR 353
LIR 78   IR 360
IR 79   IR 371
IR 81   IR 395
LIR 82   IR 407
LIBtl 89   IR 409
IR 93   IR 417

As far as I know, the following 154 Units did NOT have a history.

RIR 1   RIR 218   IR 410   StB 16
RIR 2   RIR 219   IR 419   StB 17
RER 2   RIR 237   IR 420   RJB 7
LIR 4   RIR 260   IR 421   RJB 24
RIR 5   RIR 264   IR 422
LIR 5   RIR 268   IR 423
RIR 6   LIR 327   IR 424
RIR 11   LIR 328   IR 425
LIR 11   IR 329   IR 426
RIR 12   IR 330   IR 427
LIR 13   IR 334   IR 428
LIR 16   IR 335   LIR 429
LIR 17   IR 336   IR 432
RIR 18   IR 341   IR 433
LIR 18   IR 342   IR 434
RIR 20   IR 345   LIR 435
RIR 21   IR 346   LIR 436
LIR 21   LIR 349   IR 437
LIR 22   IR 352   IR 438
RIR 23   IR 357   IR 439
LIR 23   IR 358   IR 442
LIR 26   IR 361   IR 443
EIR 29   IR 362   IR 444
LIR 40   IR 363   IR 445
RIR 49   IR 365   IR 447
LIR 49   IR 372   IR 448
LIR 51   IR 373   IR 449
LIR 52   IR 376   IR 450
RIR 53   IR 377   IR 453
RIR 56   IR 378   IR 454
LIR 60   IR 380   IR 455
LIR 65   IR 381   IR 456
RIR 68   LIR 382   IR 458
LIR 71   LIR 383   IR 460
LIR 73   LIR 385   IR 461
RIR 79   LIR 386   IR 462
LIR 84   LIR 387   IR 467
LIR 85   IR 389   IR 468
LIR 86   IR 393   IR 469
RIR 87   IR 394   IR 477
LIR 87   IR 397   StB 2
RIR 88   IR 398   StB 4
LIR 94   IR 399   StB 7
RIR 98   IR 400   StB 8
RIR 118   IR 401   StB 9
LIR 153   IR 402   StB 10
IR 189   IR 403   StB 11
IR 190   IR 404   StB 12
RIR 207   IR 405   StB 13
RIR 216   IR 408   StB 14

Best,

Daniel

Prussian Cavalry DONE:

GdC       HR 5
GKR       HR 6
1.GDR       HR 7
1.GUR       HR 9
2.GDR       HR 10
3.GUR       HR 12
KR 2       HR 13
KR 4       HR 14
KR 5       HR 15
KR 6       HR 16
KR 7       HR 17
KR 8       UR 3
DR 1       UR 4
DR 2       UR 5
DR 5       UR 6
DR 7       UR 7
DR 8       UR 10
DR 9       UR 12
DR 10       UR 14
DR 12       UR 16
DR 13       JRzP 1
DR 14       JRzP 2
DR 15       JRzP 3
DR 16       JRzP 5
DR 17       JRzP 9
DR 18       JRzP 12
DR 19       JRzP 13
DR 22
GDR 23

Prussian Artillery DONE:

1.GFAR       FAR 56
1.GRFAR       FAR 57
2.GFAR       FAR 58
3.GFAR       RFAR 58
3.GRFAR       FAR 59
4.GFAR       FAR 60
FAR 1       FAR 61
RFAR 1       RFAR 61
FAR 2       FAR 62
FAR 3       FAR 63
LFAR 3       RFAR 65
FAR 4       FAR 66
FAR 5       RFAR 66
FAR 7       FAR 67
RFAR 7       RFAR 67
FAR 8       RFAR 68
LFAR 8       FAR 72
FAR 9       FAR 74
RFAR 9       FAR 75
FAR 10       FAR 76
FAR 11       FAR 79
RFAR 12       FAR 80
FAR 14       FAR 81
RFAR 14       FAR 84
FAR 15       FAR 92
RFAR 15       FAR 95
FAR 16       FAR 99
FAR 17       FAR 100
FAR 18       FAR 108
FAR 19       FAR 183
RFAR 19       FAR 201
FAR 20       FAR 221
RFAR 20       FAR 229
FAR 21       FAR 241
FAR 22       FAR 269
FAR 23       FAR 270
FAR 24       FAR 280
FAR 25       FAR 406
RFAR 25       FAR 500
FAR 26       FußAR 3
FAR 30       FußAR 4
RFAR 33       FußAR 5
FAR 34       FußAR 7
FAR 35       FußAR 9
FAR 37       FußAR 11
FAR 38       FußAR 14
FAR 39       FußAR 16
FAR 40       FußAR 18
FAR 42       FußAR 22
FAR 43       FußAB 33
FAR 44       FußAB 35
FAR 45       FußAB 39
RFAR 45       FußAB 56
FAR 46       FußAB 75
FAR 47
RFAR 48
FAR 50
RFAR 51
FAR 53
FAR 54
FAR 55

Engineers DONE:

GPB
PB 4
PB 7
PB 8
PB 11
PB 14
PB 29

KIR · October 16, 2020

Hi Daniel,

here you will find for the IR117: http://digital.wlb-stuttgart.de/sammlungen/sammlungsliste/werksansicht/?no_cache=1&tx_dlf[id]=13560&tx_dlf[page]=1

For infanry you will find here informations about Regimental Histories, sometimes with a link to an online-book:

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Infanterie_(WK1)

Best regards,

Jens

Artillerie, Pionier, etc... (incl. Bavarian ...): http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Militär/Formationsgeschichte/Deutschland/Alte_Armee/Regimenter

Edited October 16, 2020 by KIR

Daniel Krause · October 16, 2020

thanks, Jens!!!

Best,

Daniel

Deruelle · October 16, 2020

Hi Daniel

The date of award the knight cross with X of House Order of Hohenzollern to Leutnant Franz Büchner is 9 August 1918.

Christophe

Mattyboy · October 18, 2020

Hi all,

Not sure if you have this one? Lt dR Karl (?) Hertel :-

https://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/blbz/periodical/pageview/2480000?query=hansorden

Dave Danner · October 19, 2020

On 18/10/2020 at 13:27, Mattyboy said:

Hi all,

Not sure if you have this one? Lt dR Karl (?) Hertel :-

https://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/blbz/periodical/pageview/2480000?query=hansorden

Hertel, Karl Theodor
*25.4.1890 in Endingen, Baden
†14.10.1965 in Wiesbaden

He was wounded in 1914 as a Vfw.d.R. in RIR 40, in 1915 as a Lt.d.R. in LIR 11, and for a third time in 1918. He was promoted to Lt.d.R. in RIR 40 on 16.11.1914. His Rufname does appear to be Karl, but he is in the Zähringen Lion roll as "Theod. Karl", a Lt.d.R. of GR 110, at the time in RIR 51.

Mattyboy · October 19, 2020

Thanks Dave. He certainly seems to have moved around a lot. On to my next find - Lt Ernst Goll

https://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/blbz/periodical/zoom/2023928

Edited October 19, 2020 by Mattyboy

Daniel Krause · October 20, 2020

Great stuff guys,

Hertel was indeed another unknown one,

Goll was awarded the HOH3X 08th November 1918, so just on the very last days of WW1. and the Monarchy in Germany.

Best,

Daniel

Mattyboy · October 23, 2020

Hi all,

Here are two more names: Hptm von und zu Schachten, and Lt dR Paul Hommel. I presume the Lt Hertel mentioned just after Hptm Schachten is the same man we discussed earlier?

https://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/blbz/periodical/pageview/2023321

https://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/blbz/periodical/pageview/5800545

Edited October 23, 2020 by Mattyboy

Daniel Krause · October 26, 2020

Matty, super, Hommel was another unknown.

Baden Guy, received as well a Zähringer Löwe knight 2nd class with swords.

v.u.z.Schachten - Ernst Georg Adolf, 1876-1942, served in FAR 50, as well a Baden guy.

Best,

Daniel

Mattyboy · October 26, 2020

Hi Dan,

Here are two death notices, for Fritz Thielsch and Felix Tilgner. I couldn't find either of these men in the MWB.

Daniel Krause · October 26, 2020

Matty,

GREAT!

Many thanks!

Both were unknown to me.

Best,

Daniel

Mattyboy · October 28, 2020

Hi Daniel,

No problem at all. Actually I'm going to throw a spanner into the works now. I had assumed that the MWB entry (03/Sep/1918) for a 'Hptm Lieber' related to the later Generalleutnant Hans Lieber. But then I saw the attached death notice and now I'm not so sure....

Dave Danner · October 28, 2020

Tilgner, Louis Adolf Felix
* 16.1.1881 in Breslau
Oberbuchwald was in the reporting area for Sprottau, so he was possibly the Vizewachtmeister Tilgner in the Res.Inf.Mun.Kol. 14 of the V. Reservekorps who was promoted to Lt.d.L.-Felda. I (Sprottau) on 14.1.1916. However, an HOH3X for field artillery support officer seems uncommon, so he may have been the Vizefeldwebel Tilgner promoted to Lt.d.L.-Inf. I (I Breslau) on 13.5.1918. That Tilgner, however, received the Saxe-Meiningen Medal for Merit in War in 1915, which may simply have been omitted from the death notice.

Mattyboy · October 31, 2020

Nice work Dave. Here is a death notice from 1941 for Karl-Otto Splettstößer. There are many Kriegsstammrolle records for him on ancestry.co.uk, unfortunately I could not find one which mentioned the HOH3x. So it must be another late award. Also interesting for the gold wound badge.