Christian Zulus Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 Prices for Serbian Monarchy OrdersDear Milan,could you give us an idea about the price ranges old Serbian Monarchy Orders, Medals & Badges are selling today?Most of them had been manufactured in Imperial Vienna?Many thanks Best regardsChristian
orden_master Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 Prices for Serbian Monarchy OrdersDear Milan,could you give us an idea about the price ranges old Serbian Monarchy Orders, Medals & Badges are selling today?Most of them had been manufactured in Imperial Vienna?Many thanks Best regardsChristianDear Christianas you already signed some common lines regarding the esthetics of old Russian orders and Serbian Monarchy orders the same conclusions you can draw on price range. The prices are going exorbitantly high the past 2-3 years. This is due to an steadily increasing number of collectors and a (of course) limited pool of items available. Many of thos new-"collectors" are lacking the interst in history and background informations the only thing they look at is if the item they purchased is RARE and EXPENSVE to show to their friends and to put them somewhere in a drawer. This is a pity because exactly those persons have driven the prices to higher grounds. Sorry for this mostly emotional output but I had to let it out. Lets get back to the main question:The highes ranked ordes (regarding prices) are any items from the Obrenovic dynasty period, thus 1856 to 1903Order of Milosh the greatBreast star 16000-18000 EURNeck badge 5000-8000Breast badge 2000-3000Order of the White Eagle (first type)GC set 5000-9000GO set 3000-6000Commander 2000-3000Officer 500-800Knight 400-700Order of the St. Sava (first type)GC set 2500-3500GO set 1250-2800Commander 600-1000Officer 300-600Knight 200-400As Christian already stated correctly the most part of Serbian Royal orders before 1914 have been manufactured in Vienna. The main producers have been Rothe, Scheid, Fischmeister, Resch and a couple of others with unknown marks but the items still having the Vienna town punch marks and the Austrian silver punch marks. So the price variation result from most of the Sebian orders not being manufactured by only one maker but very often by a couple of them. So there are R and RRR variations of those orders.Just in case if you cross anywhere a St. Sava with AF punch marks please give me a triple PM !!! Regards Milan
Christian Zulus Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 Dear Soviet,many thanks for the information and the scans of that great, perfect and complete piece of history .Due to the date of issue, it should be the version made of massive gold . What does the seller write? Is it already YU-made, or still a Soviet manufactured piece?What is the asked price?For the gold-version it might be around USD 3000,-. Rather recent Yugoslavian productions in gilt bronze shall sell for about USD 500,-. (Both prices are still a bargain considering the importance and rarity - 1346 had been awarded.)Best regardsChristianP.S.: Due to the fact, that a use a "german" browser, I have NO access to the militaria-site of ebay .
DutchBoy Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 Hi Soviet,A beautiful set! If you can aquire that go ahead! One thing to watch out for though...Aparently there are fakes of this medal. Many of them tend to be easily recognizable by the fact that they are of gold-plated bronze and of hollow construction, but: buyer beware.
orden_master Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 Hi Soviet,A beautiful set! If you can aquire that go ahead! One thing to watch out for though...Aparently there are fakes of this medal. Many of them tend to be easily recognizable by the fact that they are of gold-plated bronze and of hollow construction, but: buyer beware.Helloyes indeed a very nice piece of history if authentic, as Christian already stated if the order is coresponding the issue date it should be a "massive gold" piece. The russian versions have different boxes (I will look for my box if I have a picture of it). Yugoslav made gold items are of extreme rarety and until today I have seen and touched only ONE! Knowing the seller already I would consider that the booklet and the order are not coresponding, thus that the order is either a hollow version or (best case scenario) a IKOM Yugoslav production "full body" order.Best regardsMilan
Christian Zulus Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 Gentlemen,are there no scans of the rv. with the s/n. at ebay to check, if it is actually 138?Milan, have you an idea about the price ranges for these stuff?Best regardsChristian
Bryan Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 Well Christian it seems you find it. Seller says onl:Neck Badge in massive gold, both sides same figure, original long ribbon. Accompanied by a 1953 awarding booklet to a general Radic, in original inscribed case of issue. Very rare!Maybe you should ask for a picture of the reverse. I can't afford such thing until I'm finish with my studies. So here is the link: http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/677-Medal...070778019QQrdZ1
Christian Zulus Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 Well Christian it seems you find it. Seller says onl:Maybe you should ask for a picture of the reverse. I can't afford such thing until I'm finish with my studies. So here is the link: http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/677-Medal...070778019QQrdZ1Well, maybe the order has no serial number at all - Milan could help us?As the dealer writes, there is NO further conection between the medal & the documents.USD 2800,- is a rather high starting price, which almost represents the market value .I also can't afford it in the moment ....Best regardsChristian
order_of_victory Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 Heres my only Yugoslavian Award, an Order of Military Merit 3rd Class Order of Victory
Piramida Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 I've read up on this Voja Radic, it seems he was a metal worker before the war and an MP after his awards not including the national here include : Brotherhood and Unity 1st cl.2 Orders of BraveryPartisan Star 2nd cl.Merit fo the People 2nd cl.Order of the GPW 1st cl. (USSR)
Christian Zulus Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 Dear "Order of Victory",he very nice award I have no "Military Merits" in my collection - I never got one for a decent price -, but as a compensation I have a "JNA 2cl" and a "JNA 3cl" (large and heavy) .Best regardsChristianHeres my only Yugoslavian Award, an Order of Military Merit 3rd Class Order of Victory
order_of_victory Posted January 13, 2007 Posted January 13, 2007 Dear "Order of Victory",he very nice award I have no "Military Merits" in my collection - I never got one for a decent price -, but as a compensation I have a "JNA 2cl" and a "JNA 3cl" (large and heavy) .Best regardsChristianChristian,THat was one thing that supprised be about Yugo awards, is there wieght compared to USSR awards Sorry to hear you dont any Military Merits, fingers crossed that one day one come around for you Order of Victory
Bryan Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 Again something very interesting that showed up on eBay.ORDER OF THE YUGOSLAV STARStarting bid US $2,000.00
Drugo Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 Hello gentlmen!My name is Filip, and I'm new to this forum. I'm mainly interested in Yugoslav awards, medals, etc., but I still have much to learn. I live in Italy, but I was born in Belgrade.First of all I want to answer at this post, even if it's a bit dated...My Yugo awards.This is an interesting field, with some very nicely made, heavy pieces.Bryan (Soviet) I'd appreciate your help in some cases, buddy Order of Military Merit 3rd Class, Silver, Pinback, 6 torches (?), with the appropriate ribbon.DolfUnfortunatelly, Dolf, that ribbon is not correct for your Order.The right one is this:Your ribbon is for the 40 years of JNA medal:Regards,Filip
Drugo Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 By the way, this is the 50 years (the last one) version. Issued just before the fall of old Yugoslavia (1991).
DutchBoy Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 Definitely an under-appreciated market. How long before prices start to rise for Yugo awards? I think the market is due...
Gordon Craig Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 (edited) Gents,I have seen lots of pictures of the Order of Merit 3rd class but no mention of current values. I saw one for sale today and I wonder what I should pay for it? It has silver hall marks on the back. Is that unusual for a third class?Regards,Gordon Edited March 4, 2007 by Gordon Craig
Drugo Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 I'd say not more than 50? (100USD) with its box, and hopefully the ribbon. But their value is growing quite fast, and it's getting more difficult to find them at good prices.This is mine:I didn't buy it: it's a present of my uncle, who served in the Yugoslav Army for several years. Regards,Filip
Gordon Craig Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 Filip,Thanks for the response. I suspected the vendor was asking too much for the award. His prices are normally high.Now I know for sure.Regards,Gordon
Bryan Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 (edited) Hello gentlmen!My name is Filip, and I'm new to this forum. I'm mainly interested in Yugoslav awards, medals, etc., but I still have much to learn. I live in Italy, but I was born in Belgrade.Welcome Filip! It's nice to have an other Yugoslavian collector on the forum! Edited March 5, 2007 by Soviet
Drugo Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 The graničari were the border unit guards in old Yugoslavia. Today they don't exist anymore, as far as border controling is not anymore matter of the army, but of the MUP (Ministarstvo Unutra?njih Poslova, Ministry of Internal Affairs), basically policemen.This was their badge, usually worn on the uniform jacket, on the left chest. Most of them were produced by "IKOM" - Zagreb, some other by "AUR-METAL" - Subotica (Serbia), or, as this one, by "AUREA" - Celje (Slovenia).The pin, this is from Subotica:Regards,Filip
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