Chris Boonzaier Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 OK Guys, any post after this that is not about fakes and sellers will be deleted. we dont want 20 pages of recriminations and hurt feelings. Best Chris 1
Wild Card Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 OK Guys, any post after this that is not about fakes and sellers will be deleted. we dont want 20 pages of recriminations and hurt feelings. Best Chris If my comments do not fit your parameters, please feel free to delete it. I understand. I have had it with this business! I have been collecting Imperial German orders and decorations for over thirty-five years and still can't tell a Hessen-Kassel Order of the Golden Lion knight’s cross from a Hessek-Kassel Wilhelm’s Order knight’s cross. Going by the OEK, there are over 2,500 diffferent Imperial German different orders and decorations; and nobody knows everything that there is to know about each one of them. When I started collecting, I made some mistakes. In the ensuing years I have made others. For a number of years,in my ignorance, I innocently enjoyed picking up a medal or two at local gun shows; and then one day, a dealer told me about OMSA. I tracked it down, joined and found out that throughout the world there is a small community of very diverse and otherwise normal people who collect these things. It opened the door to the world wide medal collecting community, or at least a good part of it. It was, in great part, a result of the kindness, patience and sharing of knowledge by many of the great collectors, and dealers of that time that I was encouraged to follow this passion. I'm sure that many of my questions strained their patience. We all make mistakes; but if you don’t ask, you won’t learn; and, as I see it, one of the most important purposes of GMIC is the exchange of information from which we can all learn. I would just like to ask for patience and understanding when responding to questions, especially from those who are just getting started. I aim this mainly ay our senior and more knowledgable members; and by that I don’t necessarily mean those who having been collecting the longest. There are still many people out there, both beginners and who have been collecting for a long time, who are out of the loop and do not know about the wealth of knowledge available to them from sources such as GMIC, WAF and OMSA. Patience, Gentlemen, patience. We’ve all been there. Thank you, Wild Card 1
Wild Card Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Nice post Wild Card. Best Chris Thanks. I've cooled off now. :beer:
marrauder Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 In fact I came to this thread to say that long time I didn´t see such beautifully masked Ninth bead fake http://www.ebay.de/itm/Eisernes-Kreuz-II-Klasse-1870-/220946176299?pt=Militaria&hash=item33716b192b
marrauder Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 Patience, Gentlemen, patience. We’ve all been there. Tu fui ego eris.
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 In fact I came to this thread to say that long time I didn´t see such beautifully masked Ninth bead fake http://www.ebay.de/i...=item33716b192b Hi, can you post the pics on the thread for future reference? What exactly is the ninth bead fake? Thanks Chris
marrauder Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Sorry, I don´t know how to download pictures from that eBay frame, (but I would like to learn it). To clear your question, there is only one cross, photographed from two distances, once with side light, then with flash. I was fooled from those first two photos taken from bigger distance, that it is some fancy prinzen. Just when I browsed those closeups, it is clearly certain Ninth Bead Fake with thin W and over and under 8. First I also thought there are two crosses offered, but seller clearly speaks "Sie bieten hier auf ein Eisernes Kreuz II Klasse 1870" Then compare some details (for example the casting bubble under the reverse crown) and you will find them on both crosses. If the seller had left only first two pictures, he would fool me for sure. Regards.
saschaw Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Never buy the story! http://www.ebay.de/itm/170797635979
saschaw Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 And never by a medal bar that has the MEZ1 hanging from a Hindenburg cross' ribbon! http://www.ebay.de/itm/170797636793
redeagleorder Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 The latter would be sooooo worth it if it was real! Regards, Matthew
christerd Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Is this "sammler-arsenal " connected to raritetensammlerclub in some way ? And I just realized when reading this old thread that I must have been offended Troy in some way I had never said a bad word about Troy , the only person I , in a moment of´bad judgement called moron was our "raritetensammlerclub" which I honest really think destroy our hobby.. So please forgive me Troy if you thought it was you I meant . The End Ps , I do like your beer Christer
saschaw Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Is this "sammler-arsenal " connected to raritetensammlerclub in some way ? No, not that I'd be aware of. Just another dealer.
Troy Tempest Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) Hi Christer! Jag verkligen inte styra mina kommentarer på dig mate. De skulle vara inriktade på garfordhouse Jag respekterar alltid min äldste! Även om det bara är genom två år I hope this makes sense! Edited March 16, 2012 by Troy Tempest
christerd Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 He he , perfect Troy ! Nice to see some Swedish here Christer
Troy Tempest Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I can't help you in regards to its authenticity, but it looks excellent!
Wild Card Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 Hello redeagleorder, I cannot offer any advice with regard to the Southwest Africa medal or it’s bars; but I will say that, in my opinion, absent any markings that might prove otherwise, the Military Merit Cross is a copy. Regards, Wild Card
redeagleorder Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Hi all, The bar in question is currently on ebay, and the thing that first made me suspcious was the fact that it only has a 333 euro starting price, and that no one has bid on it. However, you never know. Thanks for your opinions. Regards, Matthew Edited March 20, 2012 by redeagleorder
saschaw Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 A real MVK from SWA era (with about a hand full awarded) should be real gold. Save about 10,000 bucks if one comes to the market. This one is gilt brass and a so called collectors copy by Göde. I'm not sure about the clasps. The SWA medal seems to be fine.
hipnos Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Gents...Sorry if I dare to ask this question here but.. What do you think about this bar. The medals are bad sited, ...
Sergio Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) No, not that I'd be aware of. Just another dealer. The other fake from sammler-arsenal: http://www.ebay.de/i...984.m1436.l2649 For sale now: Edited March 23, 2012 by Sergio
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