EK 1870 1870 EK 1

[VtwinVince]

Anyone have any thoughts on the EK 1 sold by Detlev Niemann today? Sorry, I don't have a link.

[Claudio]

Hi Vince,

I am posting the images, since I'd like also to hear some experts' comments on this one!

Ciao,

Claudio

[Beau Newman]

IMHO, not an official award. Best case, a private purchase WWI era replacement. The fact that it is vaulted and the pin construction are all wrong for an 1870's era piece.

[VtwinVince]

Thanks for posting the photos, Claudio. I thought the hardware far too modern looking.

[gregM]

Definately not a period piece. If I remember correctly ( hard to do ) There was

a big discussion over at WAF concerning a 1914 cross with this style pin system

and I was thought to be used on 1957 era replacement crosses.

[Claudio]

Well, enough said that I also didn't like it from the beginning... What it disturbs me most is the fact that if I would sell or pass on such a piece I would stir a vesps' nest. Some dealers sell those things in a couple of minutes during the Friday's update... go and figure... That's a strange world.

Ciao,

Claudio

Edited August 27, 2009 by Claudio

[VtwinVince]

Quite right, Claudio, I'm surprised someone paid that much for such a questionable item.

[gregM]

$3100 is a LOT of money even for a GOOD 1870 Ek1. I just saw an ebay auction for a

1914 Godet with side hooks with a starting bid of $1100. I thought there was a recession

going on.

[Glenn R]

Yeah I saw that one myself Greg. Be interesting to see if anyone bites or if it's just wildly wishful thinking!

[ekhunter]

The detail on the crown is not very good at all, definately not period, and this one went really, really fast last week.

Edited August 28, 2009 by ekhunter

[frontkampfer]

:banger:

It is not a contemporary cross of 1870, to forget except when you have 2.200 euro to be lost !!

Regards

Fkr

:shame:

[Mike K]

I'll throw in a slightly different point of view. Sure, it does not appear to be from one of the main 1870s manufacturers but I see 2 really good things going for it - the hardware looks high quality to me, certainly not 57er in any way shape or form. I do not recall seeing anything really close in 1914 examples either and to me it does not really look 20s/30s. The other point is the core - it looks like cast iron to me, indicating earlier rather than later manufacturer. The on thing I'd want to be sure of is that the frames are solid silver and not plated - hard to be certain from the pics. At a guess, I'd suggest circa 1900 +-10 years based on construction.

Regards

Mike

[gregM]

I went back looking at old threads and found what I thought was the same style pin system.

I was WRONG in saying that this was a '57 style pin although they look (roughly) similar

they are definately not the same. I apologise for jumping to conclusions.

That being said----I still don't like this cross.

57 style pin system---

[hagahr]

sorry to bumb in like this ,,, (aim almost never on this forum)

but this ek is interesting ,, a hard nut so to speak ...

but I do have a price list from Deutscher offiziers verein from 1902 ,

were they advertise with all sorts off 1870 rewards ,,including ek1 and 2

(so aim always on the watch fore ek's that maybe, can be from that time )

just wanted you all to know that there are also 1902 period ek1 1870 and 2's

al do I don't think its NOT up to the quality DOV provided to its members in general in those day's

but who knows what more jewellers where producing rewards in those day's

( the soldering wood be interesting to see )

hope its no useless info

regards kay

Edited September 11, 2009 by hagahr

[Eric Stahlhut]

perhaps the pin has been replaced at some point. barrel hinge/pin don't seem to have the tightest of fits...kind of loose, actually.

[Eric Stahlhut]

perhaps the pin has been replaced at some point. barrel hinge/pin don't seem to have the tightest of fits...kind of loose, actually.

[Kriztofer]

I was just comparing the above cross against actual 1870 period models and it does appear to be a close match, not 100% but at least 95%. The pin is a little off but the hinge is the same type used on period models.

The crown is also a very close match to examples posted in Previtera's book.

Is there a recession ? You wouldn't think so if you watch the items rapidly disappear from the famous Friday update, incredible.

[hagahr]

there is no Recession,,,,fore those who see there hobby costs also as a better way off doing a investment fore the future....

[Troy Tempest]

sorry to bumb in like this ,,, (aim almost never on this forum)

but this ek is interesting ,, a hard nut so to speak ...

but I do have a price list from Deutscher offiziers verein from 1902 ,

were they advertise with all sorts off 1870 rewards ,,including ek1 and 2

(so aim always on the watch fore ek's that maybe, can be from that time )

just wanted you all to know that there are also 1902 period ek1 1870 and 2's

al do I don't think its NOT up to the quality DOV provided to its members in general in those day's

but who knows what more jewellers where producing rewards in those day's

( the soldering wood be interesting to see )

hope its no useless info

regards kay

Hi kay, out of interest, how much was an 1870 EKI and EKII in 1902?

[hagahr]

Hi kay, out of interest, how much was an 1870 EKI and EKII in 1902?

ek2 silver 6,50 mark

ek2 versilbert 4,50 mark

ek1 versilbert an nadel 7,00 mark

ek 1 real silver 9,50 mark

echenlaub echt silber 1,50 mark

regards kay

lets see if some people are surprised now :43:

Edited May 2, 2010 by hagahr

[Troy Tempest]

WOW!! 11.00 euros for an EKI with oak leaves

you learn something new everyday!