new world Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 3 hours ago, christerd said: Wow , only 165 left to find Baragin price for the moment ..... christer Is it real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Slivin Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, new world said: Is it real? https://www.kuenker.de/ru/archiv/stueck/100998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 Hmm, It really looks real by the pictures on EBAY , and I haven´t seen any real good fakes of this class ... But hard to be 100% without holding in real life , and comparing weight and size . But I would vote for genuine , anyone else ? The price is ??? but maybe everyone waiting for a sniper attack ? will be interesting to follow. Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Slivin Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, christerd said: Hmm, It really looks real by the pictures on EBAY , and I haven´t seen any real good fakes of this class ... But hard to be 100% without holding in real life , and comparing weight and size . But I would vote for genuine , anyone else ? The price is ??? but maybe everyone waiting for a sniper attack ? will be interesting to follow. Christer This is Ex-kuеnker 2015 I asked the seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Roman Slivin said: This is Ex-kuеnker 2015 I asked the seller. Wow , he could loose a lot of money if the price dosn´t rise ..... christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 currently $405... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Slivin Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, new world said: currently $405... Kuenker Hammer-price / sale price: 625.00 € Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansson Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 That cross is worth a lot more than what it was sold at Künker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misiu Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Prices just went down. To much hot air in the last years. Normal consolidation. dede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansson Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Prices have gone down in recent years, but the rarities do still today have quite a price tag. I do have seen a slight increase in prices this autumn, e.g. Holmasto auctioned a 1941 2.Class Cross of Liberty for 600€ + 24% buyers premium which is the highest I've seen in a while (auction of 30th September). Considering that 1160 of these -41 models awarded contrary to the 167 of the -39 model awarded I'm expecting the Ebay cross to go for more than what it went in the Künker auction. For the moment the price is 603€, it's on a good way of going for more than what it was purchased for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Slivin Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) currently 688€ Edited October 31, 2017 by Roman Slivin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansson Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Things are starting to get interesting, can't wait to see the hammer price as I haven't seen one for sale in years in an auction. This particular cross has been auctioned twice, it seems to be a quite good investment piece. Just to make things clear I'm myself not a bidder, I'm just following the auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Slivin Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 4 hours ago, Dansson said: Things are starting to get interesting, can't wait to see the hammer price as I haven't seen one for sale in years in an auction. This particular cross has been auctioned twice, it seems to be a quite good investment piece. Just to make things clear I'm myself not a bidder, I'm just following the auction. sale price: 938.00 € Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Roman Slivin said: sale price: 938.00 € Wow ! 1000 $ Thats quite a lot of Dollars Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Slivin Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, christerd said: Wow ! 1000 $ Thats quite a lot of Dollars Christer Wow!!!! https://www.ebay.com/itm/F2-FINNLAND-Ritterorden-des-Freiheitskreuz-2-Klasse-1939/302508833071?hash=item466eee792f:g:MwAAAOSwyApZ-MAs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansson Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Wow, 938€ is a lot of money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 He really sell out a outstanding collection a 1st class 1918 civilian !!! . One strange thing is the bidder with few feedback who bids on all his items, but only to a certain level. And he has 65 bid retractions in 6 months. Maybe the seller have a friend as insurance..... well well , the Finnish Orders seems to have been a Good investment . christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansson Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 6 hours ago, christerd said: well well , the Finnish Orders seems to have been a Good investment . Seems so, even if prices were down for a few years. One reason why the price drop never was so radical is that the prices weren't originally that high after all relative to other nations awards, considering the rarity of many orders. Think what the price would be for a German or British gallantry order that was awarded only 167 times... We're lucky the prices aren't higher as they could be higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share Posted November 2, 2017 I start to wonder , did this guy buy every order at the kunker auction 2015 ? Now he have at least 10 objects from the Kunker auction out for sale if I see right Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) A couple of new ones to my collection First a 3rd class Liberty Cross 1939 , not one of rarest but still only 1004 awarded so take some time to find one at a good price a medal from 1902 ? next , " The commerative medal of the old Finnish Army" quite rare ( Tiainen rates it as R3 in his book) a little outside my normal area but when I find some unusual Finnish I tend to increase my area Then a mini ( just Love minis ....) a 3rd class Liberty Cross for civilian 1941 only 152 awarded and I suppose less minis ' And two German Ribbon bars from 1918 war , first a Bavarian , could be from GebirgsArt Rgt 2 ? Totally impossible to id of course and the another German with a Baden Zähringen Löwen , also hopeless to id ... Edited November 26, 2017 by christerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansson Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Nice to see a CoL 3 -1939 with still so much gold finish on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormrider59 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Stellar collection! I has been dabbling in Finnish militaria lately after reading some fine books about the "Talvisota" and to start it off, I found a very rare example of a Finnish converted Russian M91 Mosin rifle. I am not here to hijack your thread, just haven't had many medals to run by (I recently bought a Continuation War medal that was issued in the 1960's). This is an impressive display of Finnish awards and a nice bit of knowledge to retain to boot. I look forward to updates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin_militaria Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Does anyone know how many 1st Class 1939 Liberty Neck Crosses with swords were awarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Austin_militaria, I hope this is all of them: - Order of the Cross of Liberty, 1st Class with Swords 1. Generalleutnant Erwin Engelbrecht: 21 September 1941 2. Kapitän zur See Hans Bütow: 12 October 1941 3. Oberst Karl Seber: 23 October 1941 4. Generalmajor Erich Buschenhagen: 26 October 1941 5. Generalmajor Kurt Dittmar: 26 October 1941 6. Generalmajor Ernst Goettke: 26 October 1941 7. Generalmajor Hans Kreysing: 26 October 1941 8. Generalmajor Ernst Schlemmer: 26 October 1941 9. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Wilhelm Becker: 9 November 1941 10. SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Karl-Maria Demelhuber: 1 December 1941 11. Kapitän zur See Leopold Bürkner: 10 December 1941 12. Oberst Hans Piekenbrock: 10 December 1941 13. Konteradmiral Reimar von Bonin: 31 January 1942 14. Generalmajor Horst Rössing: 31 January 1942 15. Generalleutnant Rudolf Ernst Otto Gercke: 25 March 1942 16. Generalmajor Adolf Heusinger: 25 March 1942 17. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Otto Hoffmann von Waldau: 25 March 1942 18. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Walter Lorenz: 25 March 1942 19. Generalmajor Bernhard von Loßberg: 25 March 1942 20. Generalmajor Gerhard Matzky: 25 March 1942 21. Vizeadmiral Hubert Schmundt: 25 March 1942 22. Generalmajor Eduard Wagner: 25 March 1942 23. Generalmajor Walter Warlimont: 25 March 1942 24. Generalarzt Dr. Kurt Bingler: 28 March 1942 25. Generalleutnant Iwan Huenert: 28 March 1942 26. Generalmajor Ferdinand Jodl: 28 March 1942 27. Generalmajor Christian Philipp: 28 March 1942 28. Oberst Eduard Ausfeld: 28 April 1942 29. Generalleutnant Hermann Tittel: 7 May 1942 30. Oberst Werner Wachsmuth: 13 May 1942 31. Konteradmiral Otto Klüber: 21 May 1942 32. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Heinz-Hellmuth von Wühlisch: 21 May 1942 33. Generalmajor Rudolf Schmundt: 11 June 1942 34. SS-Gruppenführer und Generalleutnant der Waffen-SS Felix Steiner: 16 June 1942 35. Generalleutnant Wilhelm Berlin: 23 August 1942 36. Oberst (Luftwaffe) Alexander Holle: 23 August 1942 37. Generalmajor Heinrich Kittel: 23 August 1942 38. Generalmajor Gerhard Medem: 23 August 1942 39. Generalmajor Wilhelm “Willi” Raithel: 23 August 1942 40. SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Peter Hansen: 29 September 1942 41. Generalmajor Fritz Thiele: 7 October 1942 42. Kapitän zur See Kurt Böhmer: 10 October 1942 43. Generalmajor Dipl. Wirtsch. Ernst Becht: 12 November 1942 44. Generalmajor Rudolf Hünermann: 12 November 1942 45. Generalmajor Otto Will: 22 January 1943 46. SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Herbert Otto Gille: 6 March 1943 47. Generalleutnant Karl Allmendinger: 29 March 1943 48. Generalleutnant Hans Kratzert: 29 March 1943 49. Generalmajor Gerhard Reus: 29 March 1943 50. Generalmajor Martin Wandel: 29 March 1943 51. Generalmajor Wilhelm Wegener: 29 March 1943 52. Generalmajor Richard Bazing: 13 May 1943 53. SS-Oberführer Heinrich Gärtner: 13 May 1943 54. Generalmajor Georg Ritter von Hengl: 13 May 1943 55. SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Polizei Heinrich “Heino” Jürs: 13 May 1943 56. SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Matthias Kleinheisterkamp: 13 May 1943 57. Generalmajor August Krakau: 13 May 1943 58. Generalmajor Franz Rossi: 13 May 1943 59. Vizeadmiral Theodor Burchardi: 7 June 1943 60. Generalleutnant Wilhelm Haase: 7 June 1943 61. Generalmajor Paul Winter: 17 June 1943 62. Generalmajor Georg Radziej: 30 June 1943 63. Generalleutnant Kurt Weckmann: 13 August 1943 64. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Kurt Kleinrath: 24 October 1943 65. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Xaver Sattler: 24 October 1943 66. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Herbert Joachim Karl Walter Rieckhoff: 8 January 1944 67. Generalarzt Dr. Rudolf Lipf: 19 January 1944 68. Generalmajor Karl Rübel: 19 January 1944 69. Generalmajor Hans Degen: 4 April 1944 70. Konteradmiral Heinz Nordmann: 15 April 1944 71. Konteradmiral Werner Stichling: 15 April 1944 72. Generalmajor Hero Breusing: 31 July 1944 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin_militaria Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Thanks Graham. I think this is the list for the 1941 dated award. There was a small number of 1939 dated awarded that I was looking for. -Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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