Prussia Ribbon-id on a Godet button

[Peter J]

Gents, I can't figure this one out. The Red Cross ribbon makes sense, but what about the French colours?

Edited September 21, 2012 by Peter J

[M Hunter]

Maybe a pre-WW1 Chilean Order of Merit?

Is there any way to date this piece based on the address information?

Best wishes

Matt

[Peter J]

Matt, thanks for the suggestion. Logically it seems more plausible than anything related to France. I know the various designs of Godet buttons have been discussed previously, but unfortunately I don't recall if the time-line was established or not.

[Great Dane]

Maybe the Schleswig-Holstein war cross for the war against Denmark 1848-50?

Or would that be a too early decoration?

/Michael

[Peter J]

Michael, I think that's a more realistic possibility.

Matt, apparently the "Gebr.Godet"-button can be linked to pieces made in the 1930' and the "Hofjuwelier"-button is most probably made prior to that type.

[Eric Stahlhut]

could it possibly be a ribbon for a johanniter cross?

(image attributed to c. lehrle)

Edited September 22, 2012 by Eric Stahlhut

[Ulsterman]

Any chance its something Yankee?

[marrauder]

This Godet Button (I mean the thread starter) is believed to be of 1914-18 production, although I also saw some weimar spange with this particular type. But nearly surely this is not prewar type. I personally own EK2 1914 with this knopf.

Strange thing is that the ribbon on thread starter really looks like Schleswig-Holstein cross from 1850.

[Peter J]

Eric, that's a totally different ribbon. Further more, the Johanniter ribbon should be black as far as I know.

Marrauder, is there any particular reason as to why the introduction of the "Hofjuweliere"-type is presumed to be not before 1914?

[saschaw]

Something from France and the Chile merit order are the most likely possibilities.

1848 is too old, in my opinion.

[marrauder]

Marrauder, is there any particular reason as to why the introduction of the "Hofjuweliere"-type is presumed to be not before 1914?

There was another type of "Hofjuweliere" button, used before 1914. Now I can´t quickly find separate photo, but it is that one on the left with EK2 1870 hanging on it. To answer your question completely - yes, we surely can discuss your type was used slightly sooner than 1914 (as I said before, I saw proof of slightly later usage than 1918) but I agree with Sascha, that it is still quite too late for 1848-49 war veteran. Although not impossible. 80+ year old veteran ordering new button is not pure sci-fi.

For me is interesting that discussed ribbon on your mini is in the front. If it was foreign award, it should be behind the german award, correct me if I am wrong.

[Peter J]

"There was another type of "Hofjuweliere" button, used before 1914". I've spent some time with the search-button and can only concur with your presumption.

The position of the "French" ribbon also cought my attention when first viewed. Would it be possible that it's actually a French awardee with i.g the Commemorative Medal for General Joseph Gallieni 1914-16?

[VtwinVince]

That is a weird one. Hard to believe that this person would get the Chilean order and only a red cross medal from Prussia?

[marrauder]

Would it be possible that it's actually a French awardee with i.g the Commemorative Medal for General Joseph Gallieni 1914-16?

Honestly, I was also thinking about foreigner, let´s say chilean, already awarded at home, who volunteered for service in ww1 on german side and received german RC medal. But Frenchman, receiving Gallieni medal and from some reason also german red cross medal, patriotic enough to put his french award to the front, but not enough to order his button in France, but doing it in Berlin...?

If there were only two possibilities, I would rather think about 80+ years old veteran of war with Danes.

Edited September 23, 2012 by marrauder

[Peter J]

I know it's a long shot, but I'm reaching for straws in order to find a plausible explaination.

[speedytop]

Hi,

for me there it is nothing foreign on the bar.

In my opinion it could be an early post war ribbon from a local (Schleswig-Holstein) veterans organization, important enough for him, to add it to the button.

Uwe

[marrauder]

Yes - as it always used to be - the most common answer is the most possible. Check this thread, Peter.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/3937-what-is-this/

[Peter J]

Gentlemen, I greatly appreciate your assistance!