Baden Medal Bar

[Tupper]

Got this Baden Medal Bar. Its my First one from baden. ???

Edited August 13, 2022 by Tupper

[VtwinVince]

Material from Baden is nice to collect, and another rabbit hole easy to go down.

[Tupper]

5 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

Material from Baden is nice to collect, and another rabbit hole easy to go down.

Yes, defenatly a rabbit hole ??? 

But, i Like it Very much. Thanks for your nice reply 

[chuck]

Nice bar, and i cannot understand why the suspension ring for the Baden medal was so large?

 

regards, 

Chuck 

[VtwinVince]

Can we see the reverse of the bar? That merit medal could be a Spangenstueck.

[Tupper]

7 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

Can we see the reverse of the bar? That merit medal could be a Spangenstueck.

Sorry forgot the Back. Its Not a Spangenstück. Looks Luke the normal medal

[saschaw]

6 hours ago, Tupper said:

Its Not a Spangenstück. Looks Luke the normal medal

It actually is one, despite the suspension! The official medals had the artist's initials "R.M." besides the bust which naturally lacks on a Zweit- or Schnallenstück. There is quite a number of variations of these private purchase pieces... I still have to catalog and count them, I guess!

 

See also Henning Volle:  Die Orden und tragbaren Ehrenzeichen des Großherzogtums und der Republik Baden. Freiburg im Breisgau 2019. p 287.

 

[Tupper]

38 minutes ago, saschaw said:

It actually is one, despite the suspension! The official medals had the artist's initials "R.M." besides the bust which naturally lacks on a Zweit- or Schnallenstück. There is quite a number of variations of these private purchase pieces... I still have to catalog and count them, I guess!

 

See also Henning Volle:  Die Orden und tragbaren Ehrenzeichen des Großherzogtums und der Republik Baden. Freiburg im Breisgau 2019. p 287.

 

Thank You so much. So is this a Zweitstück? I dont See any initials ?

[saschaw]

Yes, as said before, this is a "Zweitstück". Could be post-war era or even contemporary, as some companies started to produce such pieces as early as 1915. No way to tell, of course, and it wouldn't matter anyway I'd think.

 

Here's one in gold I sold a few weeks ago. Good enough for a comparison, as the design was exactly the same. Rudolf Mayer's initials are rather easy to spot, and that's the easiest way to recognize any inofficial ones.

 

Edited August 15, 2022 by saschaw

[Tupper]

6 minutes ago, saschaw said:

Yes, as said before, this is a "Zweitstück". Could be post-war era or even contemporary, as some companies started to produce such pieces as early as 1915. No way to tell, of course, and it wouldn't matter anyway I'd think.

 

Here's one in gold I sold a few weeks ago. Good enough for a comparison, as the design was exactly the same. Rudolf Mayer's initials are rather easy to spot, and that's the easiest way to recognize any inofficial ones.

 

Oh now i See. Ist really easy to Spot If You know what to look for. By the way - its a really Beautyfull Gold medal.

 

Thank You for your Help. One Last question - why is my medal affixed with a small ribbon?

[saschaw]

2 hours ago, Tupper said:

One Last question - why is my medal affixed with a small ribbon?

Well, as a makeshift I'd say. Imagine it were not: the medal would hang way too high on that bar, with one third being invisible from front! A common practice to fix this oddity! That, of course, is the reason many private companies made their Schnallenstücke with a normal ring instead of the Bügel. Why some didn't is a mystery indeed. As for the official medals, it's a bit strange as well, but then, it was custom for literally all but one or two Baden state medals for more than a hundred years... a tradition, so to say.

 

By the way, the award number of this Silberne Verdienstmedaille am Bande der Militärischen Karl-Friedrich-Verdienstmedaille during World War I is close to 130,000. It's the most common Baden award - by far, despite we don't have specific numbers for some other relatively common Baden awards.

 

On 13/08/2022 at 18:24, VtwinVince said:

Material from Baden is nice to collect, and another rabbit hole easy to go down.

I couldn't agree more! The awards from Baden are certainly among the nicer ones, regarding both design and craftsmanship!

 

 

[Dave Danner]

Your medal bar also represents another rabbit hole, one I tried for a while. This is a way of collecting the state awards of the different German states in the form of a classic trio common to many veterans, especially common soldiers who wouldn't have lots of decorations and service medals. The basic trio - Iron Cross, state award, Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer - is a nice way to display the state award rather than just having the loose award.

 

[Marcus66]

Here is one from my collection with Rudolf Mayer's initials……

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[graham]

Marcus66,

Nice, with the yellow peace ribbon.

[VtwinVince]

Many of the award pieces also had a distinctive mark on the edge of the medal.

[dond]

I've got one of those on a bar too.

[graham]

I think the distinctive mark was on the zinc medals only.

 

[bolewts58]

A WWI/Freikorps medal bar with the  Baden zinc "Verdienst" medal and the scarce Merit Cross II class of the III Marine-Brigade von Löwenfeld.

 

Edited August 19, 2022 by bolewts58

[VtwinVince]

Those are great bars gentlemen.

[1812 Overture]

I showed Mr Sacha, I have such a weird Baden medal, the front Friedrich character looks weird

[VtwinVince]

What is going on at the 3 o'clock position on the edge of the obverse?

[Tupper]

Those are all Very beautyfull medal bars ❤️?

 

Thank you all 

[1812 Overture]

19 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

What is going on at the 3 o'clock position on the edge of the obverse?

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