Nick

update

Samuel Burk Warrant No 82030 joined 22/03/1897 retired 27/03/1922 X Division. Entitled to 1897 and 1911 medals.

I know someone who had an Afghan OSM from the MDP otherwise the combination of 40 plus years service unless they were reserve forces just doesn't add up, nice group.

I am guessing Ministry of Defence Police ?

Many many discrepancies across the board I am afraid. It highlights just one of the many inconsistencies with the issue of medals for civilian and at times military service, which leaves many public servants whether civilian or military frustrated and undervalued, For example the prison service qualified for the Jubilee and Coronation medals. NCA and BF & IE did not. Of course many dismiss such medals as 'mehh' and not worth anything, but of course the same dissenters are the ones still sporting them on their medal bars regardless. No rhyme or reason to many decisions, many of which especially within the civilian world are made by senior civil servants within government who have little understanding of the departments they are in charge of.

PC (CID) is usually indicative of Metropolitan Police CID officers, as a work around I would guess for the fact that Detective is not a rank per se and couldn’t be used. Not sure when or if this has now stopped as it seems to have been mainly seen on older medals. Not personally seen it on senior ranks. But there wasn’t this modern obsession with detective grade in years gone by. Senior Officers now seem to like keeping the nomenclature of Detective throughout their service, even when they might not have done any ‘detective’ work for years. Many Detective Chief Superintendent's about, most of which returned to uniform duties to get promotion, and haven’t been working as a detective on detective branch for many years 🤷‍♂️

I have seen a couple of similar examples of bad fitting on that type of medal mounting (not just PLSGC), which were a lot older than this example. I thought they might that been damaged over time, but now I am not so sure.

Thanks for the heads up on this, its useful to know that 🤙

Is the one on the left an experimental Met armorial crest ? Photos are from 1969 there are others about in online photo libraries.

Interesting that helmets were used as opposed to cocked hats as worn in the Metropolitan Police.

You need to be on the awards and accreditation notices page and make sure you click supplements before you search.

In coming years I suspect that annual figure is going to drop significantly.

Don't we all love a W@nker Medal 🤣

Its in the supplement https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41357/supplement/2270/data.htm

Call me a cynic or perhaps disillusioned if you want. But the problem with the UK, as proven time and time again is that the criteria for awards is governed by archaic rules and process, set by faceless unaccountable individuals who don't want to step away from tradition steeped in class and privilege. Unless you are a celebrity, sports person or part of the establishment, the criteria that governs who gets what is biased, and restrictive. Time and time again years and years of campaigning is required to get recognition for many individuals who are deserving of some kind of award, and by the time the award is approved, conveniently many of the deserving have already passed away. This has alway been the way, the Military General Service Medal being a case in point. There is certainly no will or desire to recognise anything undertaken within the police or other civilian services, many campaigns for recognition have fallen on deaf ears over the years. Too busy looking after their cronies in the establishment and other undeserving cases.