Claudius

Chris, I share your logic with this badge. Why would someone want to go through the trouble to produce a false badge with such a low payoff, but I recall seeing threads that id'ed other like badges as fake. Either they were fake, or they are just poor, period pieces.

nice. I haven't encountered a ribbon bar so small, with all three Hansa awards! I would have to imagine that the medal bar would be a real gem as well.

Hello Garfordhouse; Can you show us the back? Also, could you also flip the medals up to reveal the ribbon area below the awards. And how are the medals attached? I know you said it was untouched, but.....

I don't like the look of this one. It has a lot of poor detail that I associate with a cast piece. I think it is a fake.

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Nice. Thank you for sharing. Can you show us the reverse side?

So they are in Serbia. Running around with those Kolonial hats. I didn't know they used them in that theater. Good to note that.

a leather codpiece, with padded ribbing? ok, ok, ok...is this suppose to be a flight helmet? We will need some more photos, inside, close-ups, stiching, etc. Where did you get it?

Dave; It looks like a great little group. Nice assortment of items. Even kept the money?! Must have know it was worthless (at the time, to him) I would really like to see some close-ups the items.

Just who is this "am-militaria"? Anybody have other dealings with him? He also has photos for sale. He is not faking those. Is everything he sells typically fake, or just the medal bars? Does he expand into ribbon bars?

Whoever is making these medal bars for AM-Militaria is certainly working very hard to get them to look right. There is some good technique here. I wouldn't care to educate him (or her) on what he can do to get it better. Normally, medal bar collectors examine a bar to review the "authenticating clues" that coincide with the same clues from known specimens. If the collecting community had a Fraud Division I would like them to autopsy these known fakes to discover all the Faker's clues to his construction so that it can be used to discover other fakes.

I was thinking about this one last night, but Herr General beat me to the posting. The complete lack of ANY German awards is interesting. Possible yes, but it is almost embarrassing that he didn't get any non-combatant award recognition from the Fatherland. Even Spain gave him two awards, one of them Red Cross related. How could a German have foreign states giving him awards but nothing from your own country? -it's unnatural. The Liberian awards are ahead of the Spanish. I believe it is possible that he earned these awards as a citizen of Liberia, with Spanish authorities about for recognition performing some kind of humanitarian deeds. He later found himself in Berlin when he wanted to mount them. And he went to the best place to do that.... (even if they didn't have enough of the correct ribbon for Liberian Medal of Merit.) @Vince -you are right about that. :lol:

Found it! Thank you Eric. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/46665-unfortunate-kmst-14-ek1/page__hl__kmst__fromsearch__1 My question: WHEN was this type of clasp system used. DURING wwi, or was it AFTER wwi (1919-1934+)? Basically, is KMST's design a wartime piece or post war? Thank you.

Hard to described. Easy to see. It's a premium device that is found on the nicer badges. On a standard hinged pin and hook clasp arrangement, the hook as an extra "device" that prevents the pin from backing out of the hook by accident. It is attached near the base of the hook by a hinge so the wearer can fold it down to keep the pin in place, and then fold it back up to unhook the pin.

Is there, or did anyone compile, an index to find an H&S # to its equivalent OEK # and vise-versa? For example; OEK1965/1 = H&S399 H&S399 = OEK1965/1

Great picture. and the clasp system I'm thinking of isn't even shown here.

Hello Artan; I can't really help you with this ID, but why do you think these are Ottoman and not some other nationality like, French or Italian? The diplomatic corps or royal service did use patterns and shapes that were pleasing to them as well as ones that echoed their noble pasts. It may be necessary to peruse books of formal service dress and see if a leaf and bullion patterns match somewhat to these. Either that or museums. Visit lots of history museums where the country has displayed their uniforms from their imperial past.

Bravo! A great story of this bar, the research into the discovery of the medals and the recipient. I hardly know where to start with my questions and comments because I'm not sure if there is more to come in this installment. Please keep updates and developments coming!

Uhmmmmm....yeah, Joe adequately sums up my thoughts as well. I did not realize that compilation study on the matter was that big. Thank you Eric for the illumination.

Greetings; Just like there is a list of MM for EKs, is there a list, or thread of all of the different EK1 attachment systems? Everything from; hinged straight pin to simple hook screw back -1 piece screw back -2 piece screw back -clam shell hinged Godet pin and hook w/ two open pins on the cross arms hinged straight pin to hook with hinged closure clasp on hook etc. etc. etc. Did anyone ever assemble a list of the different variants? with photos? Thank you in advance.

Looks like the; Allgemeinen Ehrenzeichens Medal -2nd class BTW: great photo of an IG Schwalbennests!

"Time again for Hessen to be shown" - I LOVE THIS TIME! Thank you Rujab. BTW: What are those next to the rivits at the 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock positions? Are they posts of some kind? What purpose do they serve?

Schön.

Ahhh....I guessed right....it is an outstanding bar! This one has a real flavor to it. In in 1897, old type long service, MEZ and Afrika service with two battle spange and lastly, the Braunschweig Cross w/swords. And I do mean lastly. What is doing there on the end? Must have been a proud Prussian/Empire man. I wish RR was online. I think he would have loved to see this one. Anything of interest on the back?

wow! Those are three outstanding Braunschweigs. That Star is a real prize, but I would also like to see that whole bar with the 2nd Klass w/S.