Glenn J

Lukasz, I similarly checked the Prussian Ordensliste up to the last supplement in 1913. He had nothing from Prussia until then. The extract from Christian above would seem to rule out a 1913/1914 award. Regards Glenn

He was awarded the RAO3 in 1815. This from the 1818 Handbuch über den Königlich Preussischen Hof und Staat. He was still listed in the 1825 Ordensliste with that sole Prussian award. The supplement to the 1928 Handbuch shows he was awarded the GSF2 that year. Regards Glenn

His RAO3S and Légion d'Honneur as confirmed in the 1848 Handbuch über den Königlich Preussischen Hof und Staat. Regards Glenn

A somewhat older General von Hutier in the company of Generals Rudolf von Horn and Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord. This from the Beeldbankwo2 site. Regards Glenn

Hi Andy, all from 1866 (I think!) Regards Glenn

Chaps, I have some spare Prussian copies running from around 1866 to 1914 which I will part with at say £30 a pop plus postage. If anyone is interested please send me a pm. Regards Glenn

Below are his listings in the 1902 Marine-Rangliste (his last) and the 1903 Bavarian Militär-Handbuch: KO4X: 28 May 1901 BMV4bX: 28 February 1902 OV3bX: 30 July 1902 He retired as an Oberleutnant on 6 January 1909 and was recalled for service in August 1914. Hauptmann on 13 April 1915 (4). Regards Glenn

His entry in the "Offizier-Stammliste der Marine-Infanterie" 1904. As can be seen, prior to his Marine-Infanterie service, he was in the 9. Infanterie-Regiment. Regards Glenn

A better portrait of the general. Regards Glenn

Good morning, download from here: http://digital.wlb-stuttgart.de/sammlungen/sammlungsliste/werksansicht/?no_cache=1&tx_dlf[id]=13507&tx_dlf[page]=7&tx_dlf[double]=0&cHash=348e838f3b2b7c989994368cfa296331 Regards Glenn

The last semi-official document that I can find him listed, is as the Band leader of the Leipzig based II./11. Infanterie-Regiment in 1928. Although clearly he became a Stabsmusikmeister in the Wehrmacht - Heer as evidenced by the portrait photograph above, interestingly, he was always listed as "Musikdirektor" Giltsch in the Leipzig address book even in the mid forties. Regards Glenn

Below is an extract of a larger photograph that appeared in Kube's "Die Tradtion" edition no 32. It was taken on the occasion of the "Großer Zapfenstreich" of 29 August 1912 at Zeithain. Pictured standing in the centre is Obermusikmeister Karl Giltsch. He is flanked by Obermusikmeister Johann Capitain of Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 179 and Obermusikmeister Hermann Maßwig of Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 78. OMM Capitain appears to be still wearing the 1908 pattern boards. Regards Glenn

If I may add some clarification to the subject of the Stabshoboist/Musikmeister. Herr Giltsch is wearing the pattern of uniform of a bandleader in use from 1898 to 1908. At that time the term "Musikmeister" was not in use. The band leaders were titled according to the arm of service to which they were attached: Stabshoboist: Infantry/foot artillery Stabshornist: Jäger/Schützen/pionier Stabstrompeter: Cavalry/field artillery/train. All had shoulder boards in the regimental shoulder strap colour. During this period, senior bandleaders could be further accorded the rank/title of a Militär-Musik-Dirigent and those even more senior, to that of a Königlicher Musik-Direktor. The first was distinguished by an extra interwoven row of gold or silver braid in the centre of the shoulder board. The latter had additionally an outer border of the same braid. Following the cabinet order of 10 December 1908, the titles Musikmeister and Obermusikmeister were introduced. The NCO collar and cuff lace were abolished and a more quasi officer style uniform was introduced. New straps similar to those worn by wartime Offizierstellvertreter were brought into use with the Obermusikmeister wearing an additional 4mm golden braid in the centre of the board. The former bandleaders in the rank of Stabshoboist etc. were titled Musikmeister and the former Dirigents and Direktors were accorded the insignia of an Obermusikmeister. No further appointments were made to the rank of Dirigent and the title fell into disuse, although further promotions to Direktor continued. Karl Giltsch held the rank of Stabshornist at the time of this photograph. Promoted to that rank on 1 April 1900, he was appointed Stabshoboist of Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 107 on 1 April 1901. Following the Prussian cabinet order of December 1908, the Saxon army followed suit with effect 5 January 1909 and Stabshoboist Giltsch accordingly became Musikmeister Giltsch. He was promoted to Obermusikmeister on 22 April 1911 and awarded the title of Königlicher Musik-Direktor on 21 May 1914. It should be noted that a final insignia change took place per orders 26/29 May 1912 (10 July in Saxony) and shoulder boards not dissimilar to the 1898 pattern were reintroduced albeit all in the colour red with the Obermusikmeister being further distinguished by an interwoven centre braid. Regards Glenn

Charakter als Generalmajor: 29.12.19. Regards Glenn

Morning, Generalmajor Willy von Livonius. Regards, Glenn

Matt, it is the later General der Infanterie Alfred Boehm-Tettelbach. Regards Glenn

The answer is provided by his entry in the Bavarian “Militär-Handbuch”. Regards Glenn

Has to be the Mecklenburg-Schwerin Military Merit Cross. He was the holder of both classes. Regards Glenn

Good morning, 1. Juni 97: der Charakter als Major verliehen. 26. Mai 98: ein Patent seiner Charge verliehen (26.5.98 E) Regards Glenn

You will find him on page 696, 3rd from the bottom of the right hand column. I will check his promotions in the morning. Regards Glenn

He certainly did not age well! He is listed in the “Ehrenranglste” as a reemployed (wiederverwendete) Generalleutnant as the former Brigade commander of 1. Garde-Kavallerie-Brigade. As far as I can ascertain no other general officer of that rank and name served in WW1. He received the swords to his already held RAO2E in 1916. Regards Glenn

Here is a wartime portrait of Graf Roedern. Regards Glenn

That would be Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 465. Hauptmann d.R. Karl Zimmer was a Leutnant d.R. in Jäger-Batallon Nr. 6 in 1914. Regards Glenn

Hi Charles, it certainly is a lovely tunic. I agree, the collar patch piping is rather odd. All branches of the military administration should wear collars piped in blue. Perhaps the tailor just got it wrong! Regards Glenn

I think that is Oberst Otto Krauß, formerly of Fußartillerie-Regiment Nr. 16 and ARKO 37. Regards Glenn