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The "patch" of the "Caporale d'Onore della M.V.S.N." (Corporal of Honour) is an Italian fascist decoration and similar to the badge worn by Mussolini. It was presented by the Duce on 25-09-1937 in Munich when Mussolini visited Hitler.

The tally for the Royal Yacht is the odd one out, it has the standard lettering with the crown between the two words. Under Queen Victoria the tally for the RY was plain black silk. Under Edward VII the text ROYAL [crown] YACHT was introduced; the crown was a "King's Crown" and remained until in 1953 Elizabeth II became the new monarch and thus all crowned insignia were altered. Another extra ordinary tally was for H.M.S. OPHIR. She was a Royal Mail Steamer who was temporary employed as Royal Yacht for the Royal Tour of the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall & York in 1901. The ship's company was boosted by transfering men from the official Royal Yachts (H.M.Y Victoria & Albert and Osborne) and all the men dressed as sailors o/b the Ophir wore a tally with the ship's name sided by little flags.

This is hard to say. These fancy letters are not regular for RN ribbons. The name H.M.S. NILE was carried through the 19th Century by three different units. The earliest RN cap tallies (first half of the 19th Century) had the name painted in yellow or gold on the ribbon, all later ribbons were standard Navy issue with the name woven in the silk. But we do see these fancy letters often on cap tallies worn by little boys and girls on their sailor's hat or sennet hat which were fashionable from about the mid 19th century until the Great War. So to my opinion this tally was never worn officially by a RN rating.

Bruno Loerzer, President of the DLV (the Lunfwaffe under cover) in July 1933. In 1943 promoted Generaloberst der Luftwaffe.

Quite an early Army uniform, around 1935 I would think, probably a conscripted Party member who joined the club at an early age.

Perhaps Jock... On the other hand, the guy looks to be in his 40s.. The picture was taken after Sept. 1939 (hence the KM tally), so he must have been 18 or a bit older in 1918. The lad is about 15 years (born around 1925), so he could be his son, foster son, or relative in another way... It is all open for speculation because there is no information on the back of the picture. It just shows, that the GPB was not only worn on the Party uniform. Perhaps the guy was a Party official, but also a Kriegsmarine reservist, and drummed up for war service. Note also this: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/gallery/image/7940-nsdap-15-ribbar-army-gefreiter-odulf-gmic/ Another example of a distinguished Party member in a soldier's uniform.

An elderly Kriegsmarine reservist and Great War Veteran

I have my doubts about the South Staffords...

Please note also: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/59647-steel-helmet-dutch/?hl=turtle#entry558919

These are fine examples of the typical light blue HJ tally. What is the exact colour of the letters (white, light grey, yellow)?

Nice one Morten, it it a badge on his left upperarm (this should be the position for the triangle, indicating the area) or just a smudge on the photo?

Some more HJ tallies. Interesting to note that the Matrosenobergefreiter (1st photo) is also wearing the Gold Party Badge, another proof that a long running party membership did not include a high rank in the Wehrmacht. In 1938 the tekst on the tallies was changed from Latin letters to "Gothic" script.

Hahahaha, yes that is the present typical pose for a photographer. But the device looks like an exposure or light meter.

Perhaps this may be of help Tony

I support arb, it is Reichsparteitag written in Süterlinschrift

All right, I see. How do I move it?

Why is this not the proper forum Chip?

At this moment there are only few recommendable books written about HJ uniforms - inclusive Marine HJ - these books are: - The Hitler Youth - by David Littlejohn (assisted by Harry Hinds), 1988, Agincourt Publishers - H.J. (Vol. 1 & 2) - by J.R. Angolia, 1991, R.J.Bender - Handbook of the Hitler Jugend - by Wilhelm P.B.R. Saris (etc.), 2009, R.J.Bender All of these mention the cap tallies of the marine Hitler Jugend, and the development of the HJ Naval caps. I would advice students of this matter to get hold of these books to get a better view on the matter.

HJ marine-tallies is quite a different subject; better not to be be handled in theis forum, but subject for something new.... Also there is a development in the caps ad uniforms to be noticed...

I picked up an interesting bunch of photos of TENO chaps, on a photo training mission? They use all kinds of cameras and equipment. Note the interesting collar patch worn in Nr.19, only leafs but no cog-wheel (similar to the collar patch of a Luftwaffe Official).

I doubt this Larry, to my opionion it is an Oberfähnrich..

That's a very nice photo Morten,we don't see these HJ Reichsseesportschule tallies very much.

very nice Larry! Thanx for showing.

Nice collection, indeed! The "Kronprinz Wilhelm" was a n AMC, in fact a war ship, and the U "Deutschland" was a merchant ship. Under international law, a neutral country cannot allow any military unit of the belligerent porties on its territory for a longer period of time. If so, these units have to be interned for the duration of the war. To allow a belligerent military's unit to repair and leave the territory would lift the neutrality and make the country a belligerent also. However, a merchant ship, like the U "Deutschland", of a belligerent country is not a military's unit. France, England and Germany could there fore trade with the USA. This situation changed when the USA took Side with the allied nations and Germany become an enemy. At that moment all interned units became spoiles of war. When ships from opposite belligerent countries would enter a neutral port (for taking in water or coal), there should be a specific time in departure between their leaving, so that they could get to international waters without being shot at in neutral territory. Ships that have to stay in port for a longer period (e.g. to use dry dock) would have to be interned. During WW1 many Germn ships were interned in neutral countries. Also ship's companies from wrecked ships setting foot on neutral ground should be interned. Note for instance the escape of the late Admiral Canaris from SMS Dresden from Chile, during WW1 and the short stay of SMS Goeben in Messiana (neutral Italy). PS Belligerent = country at war Units = soldiers, sailors, airmen, ships, war planes, etc.

Some more photos added to my S.M.S. Wolf picture file. Most interesting is the press photo of the famous reconnaissance seaplane "Wölfchen" (Little Wolf), a Friedrichshafen FF 33E reconnaicance seaplane, whih was the "eyes" of S.M.S. Wolf. She was crewed by Leutnant zur See d.R. Alexander Stein and Oberflugmeister Paul Fabeck. The unidentified Feuerwerksmaat is wearing the ribbon of the EK2, no doubt for actions o/b S.M.S. Wolf.