order_of_victory Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 Heres my type III, Ihave decided to show it here after hunyadi told me that has the different metal/alloy back not brass as usual Order of Victory
order_of_victory Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 Heres my type III, Ihave decided to show it here after hunyadi told me that has the different metal/alloy back not brass as usual Order of VictoryReverseOrder of Victory
Ulsterman Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 Nice-is that the soft red plastic star with the coat of arms stuck on?
hunyadi Posted May 8, 2007 Author Posted May 8, 2007 Well, I hit the motherlode today with rick, but that's another story for another day...So, in reviewing the JOMSA article on these badges there were 4 major types and eras:type 1: "professional association badges" 1948-52, dates on scrolls (I think of this as the "guild era")type 2: well made Rakosi era (and coat of arms) star badges: three grades (inc. Stavon. badges)type 3: Not so well made badges, use of plastic. Post Rakosi coat of arms, reintroduction of some types of professional association badges and also the "Munka... series badges ...1952-mid 1970s?type 4: Mid 1970s-1991: Use of Munkaeret medal, flat cold enamel badges, soft tonka-toy type red cases or brittle plastic keystone types. continued proliferation of "munka" type badges (possibly because there was no cash bonus with that badge?).Also during all this were the "brigade" badges and the semi official company badges for merit or long service.When can we see them??
Ulsterman Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 (edited) Not a them-an "it" and it doesn't scan well.convex shape-No the paragraph above is my summary of your article. Do i have it right? Were Munka badges earlier and non cash awards? Edited May 8, 2007 by Ulsterman
Gordon Craig Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 Ulsterman,It is possible Charles is refering to your "motherload" comment when he says "When can we see them?". You really peeked my curiosity with that comment.Regards,Gordon
hunyadi Posted May 8, 2007 Author Posted May 8, 2007 Not a them-an "it" and it doesn't scan well.convex shape-No the paragraph above is my summary of your article. Do i have it right? Were Munka badges earlier and non cash awards?Sorry - yes - I was talking about the motherload among the tupperware? - As for the Worker Badges - most of them came with some form of monetary gift but not all. To my knwoledge the star and banner type always came with some sort of money bonus, but that varied with the times and the economy. The pin type badges (stars, wreaths, circles, odd shapes - sounds like a kids cereal eh?) were a left over of the guild era as certain governmental ministires (health, small industry, metal workers, etc...) were given the authority to make their own little badge, pin, medal ect...and issue them with their own type of requirements and bonuses.
Gordon Craig Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Ulsterman,I would say that the Kivalo shown has the cim glued into place. I/we often find them with the cim loose and I just glue it back in place with crazy glue. Regards,Gordon
Hauptmann Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Ulsterman,I would say that the Kivalo shown has the cim glued into place. I/we often find them with the cim loose and I just glue it back in place with crazy glue. Regards,GordonThis explains the fall of communism! They didn't have crazy glue. They just went to pieces and could not repair the damage as efficiently as the west who have tons of crazy glue on hand at all times for just such emergencies. Seriously though... some terrific pieces. Absolutely love any and all of the cased sets and that Miners medal from 77 on is outstanding! Dan
jasmor58 Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 I am a new member and have found the information on kivalo dolgozol badges extreemly interesting as I have had one of these for a couple of years and did not really know what it was. The one I have is contained in its original red box with a miniature stickpin, but no document. It is the type with a bronze 5 pointed star on a brass wreath of laurels (I think). The centre piece is circular with a fine pebbled finish with the words Kivalo Dolgozol in the centre with the words Abelkerskedelem above. It was one of those items that you sometimes comeby but can never reall find out much about it. I will post a picture once I figure out how to do it on this forum.Regards,Jim Morrison.
hunyadi Posted June 2, 2007 Author Posted June 2, 2007 Hello Jim - Welcome to GMIC! We would love to see you badge!
jasmor58 Posted June 2, 2007 Posted June 2, 2007 Hunyadi,Thanks for the welcome to GMIC. Here is a picture of the badge I have (Just hope that I have managed to crack the knack of posting pictures. Any idea of the date or period of this award?Regards,Jim Morrison.
hunyadi Posted June 2, 2007 Author Posted June 2, 2007 (edited) Hi Jim - What you have there is an 'Domestic Trade' Excelent Worker badge of the first award (I beleive). This is one of the early forms. I have a documented set from 1954 as you can see in the picture below but this has the roman numerals II which to me suggests that this is a second award. Edited June 3, 2007 by hunyadi bad typing skills
jasmor58 Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 hunyadi,Thanks for the information. At least I know what it now is and what it was for. I did have a slight idea that it might date from the 50's.Thanks again.Jim Morrison.
Zsolt Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) Hi, Charles !Why do You think, it is from 1951?I know as this badge was constitued in 1953!Zsolt Edited June 3, 2007 by Zsolt
Ulsterman Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) "Domestic Trade"- as in internal economy or Maid service? How does that translate exactly? Edited June 3, 2007 by Ulsterman
Zsolt Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 In the socialist period most of the shops, stores were in state property. With central direction, and distribution. This badge awarded for shop assistants, for workers of the internal trade companys, and Internal Trade Ministry.
Ulsterman Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) Ah- that clears things up! thank you. Edited June 5, 2007 by Ulsterman
hunyadi Posted June 3, 2007 Author Posted June 3, 2007 Hi Zsolt - I said 1951 as for some reason that is what I had put on the file folder. My mistake - here it is with the 1953 document - but modified for 1954
hunyadi Posted June 3, 2007 Author Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) It was a good weekend... I have doubts about the award document for the Kivlao Dolgozo as the badge and the case do not seem to go with it - but thats how I got it - so I will leave it alone... Edited June 3, 2007 by hunyadi
hunyadi Posted June 3, 2007 Author Posted June 3, 2007 And - my search for one of these is now over...
jasmor58 Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. I have really learned a fair bit about this badge, especially as I did not know a thing about it before posting on this subject.Regards,Jim Morrison.
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