21 piece medal bar on eBay

[Naxos]

Kaiser Wilhelm's?

very poor pictures: http://cgi.ebay.de/Grosse-21er-Ordensspang...1QQcmdZViewItem

Regards, Hardy

[HeikoGrusdat]

yes Kaiser Wilhelms!!!

but in the article description is written (translated):

"you are bidding on a picture of a huge medal bar" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that`s really unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited October 8, 2007 by HeikoGrusdat

[Schießplatzmeister]

Hello Hardy:

This fellow seems to be offering to sell pieces that are not his. The bar that you mention is indeed the Wilhelm II bar that was sold by Thies. If you look carefully, he doesn't actually have any of the items. He has merely taken photos of the items from the catalogue. His descriptions state "Please see the picture of the group...etc.". I'm sure that all of the bids are not genuine (they are hidden of course). He has only a 13!!! feedback score. If some poor fellow actually bids, I believe that after paying, they will get a photo (taken from the Thies catalogue w/o permission) in the mail and a note of thanks. If you want to have fun, ask him for additional photos with the reverse of the items. I'm sure that he will come up with some wonderful excuse why this can't be done!

Best regards,

"SPM"

Edited October 8, 2007 by Schie?platzmeister

[Naxos]

yes Kaiser Wilhelms!!!

but in the article description is written (translated):

"you are bidding on a picture of a huge medal bar" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that`s really unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW! that is exactly what is happening here

[Naxos]

Hello Hardy:

This fellow seems to be offering to sell pieces that are not his. The bar that you mention is indeed the Wilhelm II bar that was sold by Thies. If you look carefully, he doesn't actually have any of the items. He has merely taken photos of the items from the catalogue. His descriptions state "Please see the picture of the group...etc.". I'm sure that all of the bids are not genuine (they are hidden of course). He has only a 13!!! feedback score. If some poor fellow actually bids, I believe that after paying, they will get a photo (taken from the Thies catalogue w/o permission) in the mail and a note of thanks. If you want to have fun, ask him for additional photos with the reverse of the items. I'm sure that he will come up with some wonderful excuse why this can't be done!

Best regards,

"SPM"

Yes, did you see his other offerings of catalogue pictures?

Regards, Hardy

Edited October 8, 2007 by Naxos

[Naxos]

Reported to eBay.de

Unzul?ssige Angebote > Angebote mit m?glichen betr?gerischen

Absichten > Angebot m?glicherweise betr?gerisch/unseri?s -

Edited October 8, 2007 by Naxos

[Paul R]

Where does it say that the bid is going for a photo of the bar?

[Naxos]

Hi Paul, its the very small print in the description

You are bidding on a picture of a: sie bieten auf ein Bild einer

Edited October 8, 2007 by Naxos

[Naxos]

That was quick - eBay stopped the auctions

[Paul R]

Thanks Harvey! That was a fast removal!

[paddywhack]

a mate of mine should me an auction involving some very expensive sound equiment last year where the same thing happened the guy in is description did state it was only a picture of this piece of equimnet but somebody spent 4 grand thinking they were getting a bargin and only got a picture at the end!and from what i heard they didnt get there cash back!!can someone post pics of the bar as id love to see it!!!!

[Motorhead]

And the wXXXer is back

http://search.ebay.de/_W0QQsassZpuma8380

But the dark side has send a mail

[Naxos]

And the wXXXer is back

http://search.ebay.de/_W0QQsassZpuma8380

But the dark side has send a mail

Good Micha, I sent one this morning and within a couple of hours eBay removed his stuff - I don't understand how he can list the same crap again

[Christophe]

I agree with what has already been said. Scandalous , specifically if you don't understand German. The bidder is only bidding on a picture!!!! But, it is written.... So "legally", I don't know if it is possible to sue him... But fully unfair and scandalous way to do business!!!!

Ch.

[Naxos]

I agree with what has already been said. Scandalous , specifically if you don't understand German. The bidder is only bidding on a picture!!!! But, it is written.... So "legally", I don't know if it is possible to sue him... But fully unfair and scandalous way to do business!!!!

Ch.

earlier today, before the listings were pulled by eBay, this (ripped off) catalogue picture was well over one-thousand Euros -

[Motorhead]

I wouldn't be to shure that this is legal......he doesn't own the bars,he hasn't got the right on Thies pics-if that would go to court it could easily backfire on him! before the old auctions where deleted Wilhelms bar(or better the pic) was more than 1000!!! euros..........

Micha

[dond]

Luckily he doesn't send to the U.S. Perhaps the Russian mob will bid on it and win...

[Naxos]

He has the pictures listed now under Fotos, Briefe & Postkarten but the Wilhelm bar is already at 251 euros (again)

Perhaps someone should advise Thies.

Hardy

[Stogieman]

these kind of scams just floor me. P.T. Barnum was quite correct..... a sucker is born every minute.

[Paul R]

these kind of scams just floor me. P.T. Barnum was quite correct..... a sucker is born every minute.

Do you think that bar would reach the 250,000 mark, if it were to sell legitimately?

[Ed_Haynes]

these kind of scams just floor me. P.T. Barnum was quite correct..... a sucker is born every minute.

Now, this Barnum chap, he founded eBay, right???

[Schießplatzmeister]

Hello again everyone:

It is rather obvious to me that no one is bidding this high on these photos and that most of the bids are "shill" bids (at least I hope that this is the case). The way that this fellow has written the description though doesn't really state WHAT he is selling. He merely states "refer to the photograph". Obviously, Ebay will NOT do anything as they don't care. I believe however that Herr Thies may have a problem with someone selling unauthorized copies of excerpts from his publications. This is indeed illegal here in the US and in Germany.

Perhaps the threat of a copyright infringement suit would shut down his little scam attempt.

Best regards,

"SPM"

[Chris Boonzaier]

It was down for a while... but he is back at it.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Grosse-21er-Ordensspang...1QQcmdZViewItem

The wording says quite clearly (but of course... SMALL) that you are bidding on a picture.

[Colin Davie]

It's not difficult to throw up a fake buyer ID on ebay... so if some poor bidder should bid 15000euro and mention on the feedback 2 days later that they paid cash and only got a photo instead of the bar he would have some heavy fees to pay ebay

C

[Schießplatzmeister]

Hello everyone:

He is back at it again. This time he is purporting to sell an actual medal group! Again, it looks as though he has taken a photo of a photo for his listing. Someone should ask him for a photo of the reverse for fun!

http://cgi.ebay.de/6er-Ordensspange-100-ig...1QQcmdZViewItem

Simply amazing!

Caveat emptor!

"SPM"

Edited October 9, 2007 by Schie?platzmeister