Schießplatzmeister Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Good that you like it and its arrived safe and sound! What about Hindis.... I am pretty new collector and dont know all the details.... bronze one is rarer then anothers or whats the story with that? Hello Noor:Most Hindenburg Crosses were struck from steel and were bronzed. There are a few genuine bronze pieces floating around. Someone who produced a price guide (I can't remember who at the moment) decided that these should bring a premium on the market.I personally think they are less-common than the steel pieces, but I do not think that I would pay a premium price for one as they can't really be a "scarce" item.Congratulations regarding the acquisition of the very nice mounted medal group A Collector!"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Hello Noor:Most Hindenburg Crosses were struck from steel and were bronzed. There are a few genuine bronze pieces floating around. Someone who produced a price guide (I can't remember who at the moment) decided that these should bring a premium on the market.I personally think they are less-common than the steel pieces, but I do not think that I would pay a premium price for one as they can't really be a "scarce" item.Congratulations regarding the acquisition of the very nice mounted medal group A Collector!"SPM"@Timo- Thanks very much once again, and the packing job was absolutely superb!@ SPM- Thanks. Personally I would not pay a premium for a bronze over an iron either as I am not really a "type" collector. However, having a bronze on THIS bar is truly an added bonus to something that I did not think possible to improve upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 My jaw drops every time I see that bar - congrats Steve. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 Here are a few shots of what Rick called "Holy Grail Bronze" in another thread concerning these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 The reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 (edited) One characteristic that seems to be common to these uncommon variants is the narrow suspension ring retainer/tab. They seem to be a little less than the width of a steel version. Edited May 18, 2008 by A Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 A shot of the DRK birdie. This cross was an earlier version with the swastika version eagle mounted on top of the old design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 (edited) My little white birdie ...she was quite tired after the long flight across the Atlantic. Edited May 18, 2008 by A Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 A family photo...I know, you guys have already seen it in this pose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 A beautiful little backside... Sorry for the lousy quality of photos, these were shot in high resolution, but I had to compress them to fit...and the details were somewhat lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted December 28, 2008 Author Share Posted December 28, 2008 (edited) Hi all,I was curious as to whether someone can give me an idea of fair market value for the White Falcon Bar posted in this thread??? I have searched high and low for others for sale to get an idea, but I am finding that these must be very rare indeed as my searching always come up null.... I have included a shot of some enamel damage to the lower arm, however, I can't imagine that something this difficult to find would be devalued very much by this. Edited December 28, 2008 by A Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 :Cat-Scratch: This bar has now changed hands what-- 3?-- 4? times among forums members here in the last ??? year or so? WW1 White Falcons with Swords are indeed rare (2 copies of the Rolls still available in North America-- Daniel has copies in for the Euro market ) and I would hope that SOMEBODY is actually going to give this bar a HOME for the potentially happy day when the Red Cross roll is found and its owner can finally be identified. Comparable in numbers awarded of this class to Pour le Merites... it really shouldn't be wandering the continents, sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted December 28, 2008 Author Share Posted December 28, 2008 (edited) This bar has now changed hands what-- 3?-- 4? times among forums members here in the last ??? year or so? WW1 White Falcons with Swords are indeed rare (2 copies of the Rolls still available in North America-- Daniel has copies in for the Euro market ) and I would hope that SOMEBODY is actually going to give this bar a HOME for the potentially happy day when the Red Cross roll is found and its owner can finally be identified. Comparable in numbers awarded of this class to Pour le Merites... it really shouldn't be wandering the continents, sigh.Hi Rick,I am more or less asking for insurance purposes, although a few folks made some trade/cash offers when I hinted that I was looking for a WWI aviation grouping. Since I did not pay all cash for this outright, I really don't know. I obtained it through mostly trade, with some cash. Some of the trade items I picked up many years ago so the amount of investment I had in them was minimal.Earlier, I was quite dissapointed when I asked someone I thought I could trust on the net for their opinion of current market value. I got a reply back of $500.00 because of the enamel chips on the reverse of the WF...yea right. Although I do not know the actual value, I am smart enough to know that would be giving it away. I figured there is about $400.00 worth for the actual BRONZE HBC, DRK, EKII, and Autrian Service Med alone. Thanks for the reply. Edited December 28, 2008 by A Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Althoug not a big fan of the nazi-era ODM, I must say the simplicity and beauty of the DRK astonish me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 OK....I'll throw a figure out there....$1,500.00....is that way off the mark?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 I'll try once more for an idea of value and then I won't bother you guys any more on this subject. I would really appreciate an estimated value (in the open please). I would of course be willing to offer it here for sale first before listing on another venue, you have my word; I won't get the valuation and run away. I am seriously considering an aviation grouping, and this, though beautiful, really does not "fit" in the direction that my collection is going...thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 A Collector,This is always a difficult question; so let?s look at it another way. There is an old saying that anything is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If I am following this thread correctly, you purchased this bar less than a year ago. Take your purchase price and go from there. Are you satisfied with getting what you paid, or are you looking to make a profit on it? If so, take your purchase price and calculate your margin.Incidentally, great photos. I know that this may shock most members; but I find the Hindenburg Cross to be particularly interesting - shows you where my mind is. Regards,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Collector Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 A Collector,This is always a difficult question; so let's look at it another way. There is an old saying that anything is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If I am following this thread correctly, you purchased this bar less than a year ago. Take your purchase price and go from there. Are you satisfied with getting what you paid, or are you looking to make a profit on it? If so, take your purchase price and calculate your margin.Incidentally, great photos. I know that this may shock most members; but I find the Hindenburg Cross to be particularly interesting - shows you where my mind is. Regards,Wild CardHi Wild Card,As I mentioned previously, I didn't do an outright purchase. I paid a little cash and traded items I had for years, so I really have no real idea of what a fair price is to ask as I didn't really pay the "going price" at the time. I know it will NOT leave me for $500.00 , for that much, I'll just keep it - even if my interest doesn't lie in that area any longer. I really do appreciate your input and the compliments on the photos. I think I will give it a try on ebay and see what happpens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Hi Wild Card,As I mentioned previously, I didn't do an outright purchase. I paid a little cash and traded items I had for years, so I really have no real idea of what a fair price is to ask as I didn't really pay the "going price" at the time. I know it will NOT leave me for $500.00 , for that much, I'll just keep it - even if my interest doesn't lie in that area any longer. I really do appreciate your input and the compliments on the photos. I think I will give it a try on ebay and see what happpens....Maybe the guy you got it froms original price was a fair barometer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I offered it here to another fellow collectors with exact same price what I paid (MINUS paypal fees). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 HelloI have wrestled this bar from Steve !!!! I will be on its way tuesday ! I am so Happy to get a WF I could just skip around like my 5 yr old baby girl !!!!!! I hope to find a name to this bar someday? an to keep this in my collection and give this poor bird a rest been flying around just too much!!! So all my rereading of posts on this that it could be a army frontline doctor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) Maybe something NCO'ish? I here there's a possibility that the Lubek Rolls might be done soon... that means there's apossibility of ID'ing this fellow someday...most likely from a NCO of the 8. W?rttembergisches Infanterie-Regiment Nr.126 "Gro?herzog Friedrich von Baden".In 1917 all troops of this Regiment were awarded the "badische silberne Verdienstmedaille" by it's namesake the Grossherzog von Baden.Hardy Edited January 27, 2009 by Naxos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 most likely from a NCO of the 8. W?rttembergisches Infanterie-Regiment Nr.126 "Gro?herzog Friedrich von Baden".In 1917 all troops of this Regiment were awarded the "badische silberne Verdienstmedaille" by it's namesake the Grossherzog von Baden.HardyHardy, most likely a modern put-together bar! Did really all 126er get the medal? There's no published list for the SVM and I know they went to 126ers - but really to all? And, did all officers get a BZL? Some did, that far I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) Hardy, most likely a modern put-together bar! Did really all 126er get the medal? There's no published list for the SVM and I know they went to 126ers - but really to all? And, did all officers get a BZL? Some did, that far I know...Hallo Sascha,my source is a Tagebuch of a Gefreiter from the above Regiment, according to his account the Grossherzog visited the Regiment in 1917 and had the BVM in silver handed out to the whole Bataillon. Edited January 27, 2009 by Naxos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I think it is real. Ersatz Bttn. Feldwebel etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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