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    My one and only.... one of the best bars, what I have.... from Lippe-Detmold:

    Georg Johannes Friedrich Freiherr von Eppstein - Wirklicher Geheimer Rat, Chef des Zivilkabinetts von Lippe-Detmold !!!!!

    (ID by RickResearch)

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    Folks,

    I have never seen this type of hinge and needle before...might be a post war repair?

    :speechless1: Oh noooooo!

    I?m sorry, but I have to inform you, that exactly this type of the heroic-deeds-cross is a well known fake.

    You can find these faked crosses often on Ebay, especially one German dealer sells them once a month on Ebay.

    Sorry for the bad news...but it is definitely not a repaired old one.

    Best regards

    Roman

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    Just for the future...what makes it fake (except for the needle)?

    Quite hard to say, you might need some experiences and a good one to compare with...the needle-system is the best way to identify a faked cross,

    especially when it looks like the shown example.

    Best regards

    Roman

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    Guest Rick Research

    Well, THAT simplifies things. There were only THREE recipients:

    Alten, Theodor von Major, Detmold 30.11.98

    Krohn, (Friedrich) Eisenbahn Direktor aD, Detmold 04.10.88

    Petri, (Theodor) B?rgermeister, Detmold 02.08.97

    :catjava:

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    Rick,

    Thank you very much for this information. I knew that this was a rare award but with conflicting information,

    I did not realize that it was this rare. Typically, of course you not only have the number, but the names as well -

    amazing... as always.

    Do you make this stuff up?

    Just kidding, Thanks again, :cheers:

    Wild Card

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    :catjava:

    And if anyone decides to look for the full sized version?

    Uh... don't waste your time. :unsure:

    The TRULY :speechless1::speechless1::speechless1: thing about having the Detmold rolls published will be the Awful Reality of the numbers RETURNED. :ninja:

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    :catjava:

    And if anyone decides to look for the full sized version?

    Uh... don't waste your time. :unsure:

    The TRULY :speechless1::speechless1::speechless1: thing about having the Detmold rolls published will be the Awful Reality of the numbers RETURNED. :ninja:

    Well, I was a long time among an elected group of people at an auction in Frankfurt. I remember George Seymour and Eric Ludvigsen being there, too. My very first encounter.

    that auction had a real sword on ring piece. One out of three :speechless1:

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    Hello medalnet,

    this decoration looks very very nice.

    I know the style of the cross with the swords. Germany WW II looks similar.

    I also can read the wordings, but I did not know what kind of decoration it is.

    Can you please explain?

    Thanks

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    Guest Rick Research

    :unsure: That would have been

    THE

    one. :ninja:

    The others are teaspoons, now. :catjava:

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    Hi,

    Nice cross indeed. IN the Schwark book's Orden une Ehrenziehcn des F?rstentums Lippe Detmold, there are only 5 crosses like you have, only 5. And to prove the rarity there is no photo of this cross in this book :rolleyes:

    Christophe

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    Guest Rick Research

    Of what? I still don't have that book. :( But I did transcribe all the Rolls. :rolleyes:

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    Guest Rick Research

    Ahhh, my mistake! I had to go look at the Statutes. I thought Andreas had posted a 3rd Class-- as they later were, not the :Cat-Scratch: original form 2nd Class!

    Yes, there WERE five awarded by Detmold :unsure:

    but three of them were returned.*** :speechless1:

    That, of course, does NOT include the awards ("many more" only by comparison) of identical crosses made then-jointly by Schaumburg. :rolleyes:

    *** The Lippe collectors are going to be amazed when the award rolls are published. ALL will THEN be revealed. :catjava:

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