New Epson Ribbon Bar Article-Sized Scans For Rick

[saschaw]

Massive wreath where none should be and a clasp you're still missing... :rolleyes:

[saschaw]

Quite old guy...

[Guest Rick Research]

Missed that one a month ago-- Nice Schickle 40 pair!

So, what do the WHOLE bars look like? :rolleyes:

[saschaw]

Actually, they are as easy they can get. The WHDA40 is only a Beamter's with nothing else peculiar on...

[saschaw]

And the DOA1912 has just EK2 and KO4X (or maybe RAO4X), but in this case, this might be the clue... does Ludvigsen's statistic give numbers for KO4X awarded in 1912... ?

:rolleyes:

Edited July 19, 2009 by saschaw

[David M]

And the DOA1912 has just EK2 and KO4X (or maybe RAO4X), but in this case, this might be the clue... does Ludvigsen's statistic give numbers for KO4X awarded in 1912... ?

What was the DOA1912 awarded for?

regards

David

[Guest Rick Research]

A nasty little back-country "bit of bother" as the British would say.

Of course Sascha. You didn't get a Ludvigsen? Better be nice to me....

KO4X 1912 =... 6

Now I don't HAVE the Orders Listen, and I suspect these may have been delayed processing awards so that they ACTUALLY appeared (or rather did NOT, since the last published volume stopped in January of that year) in 1913. There were NO officers in ST-DOA who HAD a KO4X in 1913 who did not already have one in 1911...

however there were TWO who show them in 1914 who did not have them as of May 1913--

and one was killed in 1914.

The sole remaining "suspect" is

Harald von Linde-Suden

Leutnant 18.10.04 E1 in Feldart Rgt 6-- plain old "Linde" to 1908

in 1909 he arrived in the ST-DOA as "von Linde" and by 1911 his name had changed AGAIN to "von Linde-Suden."

Oberleutnant 18.10.13 Q3q

Still listed as in East Africa per the 1914 Rank List BUT

and this is where following clues gets tricky, boys and girls

he is listed NORMALLY in the January 1918 Seniority List among the field artillery officers as

Hauptmann 22.03.15 J18i

which means he MUST have been home in Germany when the war started. Schutztruppen officers cut off in Africa remained at their old rank dates until repatriated AFTER the war.

Char. Major aD, alive 1926... and so far no other awards found for him.

OK, that leaves 4 unaccounted for. Well, they wern't regular Schutztruppen officers (and yes, I've tracked transfers in and out), which suggest they were local colonists. MIGHT be one of them-- but they are "invisible."

Of the 6, excluding the 1914 casualty (Oberleutnant Busse), only von Linde-Suden left a paper trail behind.

[Bernd D]

Harald von Linde-Suden had to stay in DOA until 1918. He was wounded in 1916 and put into a POW camp in Tabora. In 1918 he return to Germany via Switzerland. As far as I know he did not receive an EK II, but I'm not sure about it.

The clasp DOA 1912 was for two actions:

26.-27.3.1912 Expedition gegen die Wambulu

8.4.-20.5.1912 Expedition gegen Ndungutze und Bassebja in Nordruanda

Both were carried out by the police troop.

Bernd

[Christophe]

Hi Rick,

These superb pics and magnificent items remind me the excellent article you had posted on WAF. I know the story about it, since...

But, do you have updated it since ? Is there a place where to see it today ?

Just thinking about this...

Thanks and cheers.

Ch.

[Guest Rick Research]

Oh yes, right over on the other half of the GMIC website. Under "Gallery" up at top right of the main page. Click that or

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?autocom=galler...q=sc&cat=23

Many more things here, especially photos in wear.

My epic narrative style of writing has not (yet) allowed for "page reading" style in there... and I've been very busy the last few years with the Research Gnome Collective's work getting German WW1 award rolls published.

The section in the GMIC Gallery is the ONLY authorized place for my work on German ribbon bars.

[medalnet]

Nice work Edited July 20, 2009 by medalnet

[saschaw]

Thanks Gentlemen for your work However, I'vwe been e-mailed that not only Lts von Linde-Suden and Busse got a KO4X in 1912 (11th June) and had nothing else, but that there's been a third one: Stabsarzt Dr. Pentschke!

 

So I assume we cannot norrow it down to one? Well, two or three is also not bad... thanks!

 

 

PS: I alway wonderded when they started to produce mini battle clasps for the 1915 ribbon bars... it seems they startet outright.

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by saschaw

[Guest Rick Research]

Busse was killed in 1914 so can't be his.

[Noor]

Nice finds Sascha!

Hard to belive that even 4 place bar can be (almost) trackable! Amazing work Rick! :cheers:

[Noor]

Here is one set of swords on the buttonaire. I haven't seen this type of "fat" swords before! Also quick look to Rick's gallery didn't helped. So, maybe something what you would like to add?

[Noor]

Comparing with the regular size swords device.

[Guest Rick Research]

:Cat-Scratch: Good Lord!!!

Never seen anything like THOSE before!!!

My first impression-- especially with the Xs sewn on... is that they are not German at all.

Really really weird!!!

?????

[Noor]

One 40 years of service device again. Very nice and sharp details. Bar is with maker dag.

[Claudio]

enjoy... :whistle:

[Paul C]

What is odd is the absences of any military or civilian long service decoration!

[Noor]

Oh Claudio! Your bar is the best two row ones what I have ever seen!

Here is two more devices for Rick, if you find them useful.

[Noor]

And the single bar...

[Guest Rick Research]

Thank you but this project is now over. What is currently there is all that will be there. Thanks to everyone who assisted getting it to where it went. :cheers:

[Claudio]

What is odd is the absences of any military or civilian long service decoration!

Nothing to worry about... it came with a lot of documents... so I am pretty sure it's a good one!

Here are the miniatures...

Ciao,

Claudio

[jaba1914]

Vary nice to see where Hptm Falke miniatur chain and ribon bar goes. Vary nice group of a famous pilot.

Regards Alex