Mongolia Hero and labour Hero of the Mongolian People's republic

[new world]

That's how pics came from the seller.

I am not sure why would he send pics from two different medals.

William

Any more opinions about Gold Soyombo medal? Does anyone else think it's a suspect?

William

[usairforce]

I got all excited when I saw the price and the picture....but then I saw the big picture and now I'm not so sure....

I passed and I think with good cause...

Any thoughts?

JC

ps. I do still need one so....................

I think this is a fake .

[Ed_Haynes]

While I can't, and won't, dismiss this one as easily and glibly as some seem to be able to, I do see some issues for concern. But I need to have a real one in hand for comparison, something I shall do when possible.

I also need to check my notes and see if I jotted down the numbers on the fake ones I saw in UB. Somehow, this number seems ominously familiar.

There are some very dangerous fakes of this award out there, especially dangerous if all one has to work with is a scan. In hand, the message is clear.

[new world]

Now, when I look closer - suspension appears to be heavily patinated, while medal itself has no patina at all. Should there be such contrast?

[DutchBoy]

I think the Soyombo in post #46 shows clear signs of casting, especially near the top, both front and reverse.

[Ed_Haynes]

Closeup on suspension area of a type 1 (left) and type 2 (right badge, though with a very naughty serial number) specimen.

Weights (whole thing, screwpost and all):

T 1 - 41.35 g (# 52, 1962) and 41.25g (# 79, 1966)

T 2 - 29.95 g (faked number but a good badge -- bummer -- cheap, though)

[Ed_Haynes]

The fakes are very "non-robust".

[Bob]

That's how pics came from the seller.

I am not sure why would he send pics from two different medals.

William

I have seen that obverse with a different reverse...

[Ed_Haynes]

Closeup on suspension area of a type 1 (left) and type 2 (right badge, though with a very naughty serial number) specimen.

Weights (whole thing, screwpost and all):

T 1 - 41.35 g (# 52, 1962) and 41.25g (# 79, 1966)

T 2 - 29.95 g (faked number but a good badge -- bummer -- cheap, though)

By the way, the serial number on that otherwise fine T 2 is "223". For the historical record(s).

[Ed_Haynes]

OK, there's been so much (well-deserved) confusion over these labor hero badges of late, let me TRY to help by putting up two known (believed) good badges.

I'm going to try to pop forum image size limits.

T 1.

[Ed_Haynes]

Reverse. #79.

Provenance and authentication 100%.

[Ed_Haynes]

T 2. Badge good, number not .

[Ed_Haynes]

Reverse. # 223.

Badge 100% authentic and authenticated, serial number 100% BAD. Escapee from mint renumbered by intermediate merchant in Ulanbaatar who ruined a Nice Thing (and paid the price).

[Ed_Haynes]

And, just for the record(s), the Hero Star I saw this March in UB. Number #1. Figure THAT out.

Not the greatest image, but I was shaking.

[Stogieman]

I like the cloth suspension better. I assume #1 was real gold, real diamonds??

[Ed_Haynes]

I like the cloth suspension better. I assume #1 was real gold, real diamonds??

Oh yes. Actually all of them were so made.

[Megan]

OK, we've all seen it before, but for consistency I'll post each as it goes on my site...

1st Type:

2nd Type:

[Ed_Haynes]

Correct.

You want serial number ranges, reverses?

Can tell you more than I am allowed to say .

[Ed_Haynes]

See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4229 for more than you EVER wanted to know.

[Megan]

Already went through that thread... serial number ranges are a bit outside my particular interests, reverse views on the other hand... although I don't find pin-backs half as fascinating as some collectors do!!!

[Ed_Haynes]

'Tain't no pinbacks on these puppies, Megan.

Disallowed to post the reverse on my T1. Sorry.

I can post (and I have) a nasty scan of the reverse on the T2 I have seen that is not mine (yet ......). (And pray for me, to whatever gods you revere.)

[Megan]

A prayer or two may be said, if only so that when (I have a good hit rate with praying!) you get your claws on the T2 you can do a better reverse picture.

Appreciated that if you do not feel able to present the rear of a T1 that's fine. Anyone else got a reverse view of one?

[Ed_Haynes]

A prayer or two may be said, if only so that when (I have a good hit rate with praying!) you get your claws on the T2 you can do a better reverse picture.

Appreciated that if you do not feel able to present the rear of a T1 that's fine. Anyone else got a reverse view of one?

You want an "edited" scan? To exclude the number?

As this is all super-"tricky", maybe e-mail is best, Megan?? Many issues in play.

Or just go with Bat's image, which is "mine", of the obverse? All praise to the Great Photoshop.

Edited May 1, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Ed_Haynes]

And the conjoined award received (from only 1945!) was the "ORDER OF SUKHBAATAR"

Please, no dumb Euro-transliterations!

Work from Battushig's book, or just ask, please.

(A "work in progress", I know, I know, but please don't put bad information "out there"!)

Edited May 1, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Megan]

Do not understand this last, Ed. Must be getting a bit late... (well, it is nearly 11pm & I've been teaching all day!).