fjcp Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 New low serial # for a PB #813!!!!Nice enamel... for sale right now, you know where!!!Starting at $99!!! I wonder where this one will end at!!!
fjcp Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Oh no, this breaks my heart My brother had a thought about this one.....Could this be a victim of the same "crime" as a lot of Soviet motherhood orders?...Ripped apart and the gold sold!!!!Very sad to see something like this!!!My guess $250-$300 is where it'll end...But what do I know...JC
Ed_Haynes Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Add to the tears the fact that it is the lowest-reported pinback SB number.
new world Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 This award is definitely was taken apart for gold.Such a shame!
Ed_Haynes Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 (edited) This award is definitely was taken apart for gold.. . . and platinum. Even worse?But it does send the (sad) message that these are now being seen as commodities, fit only for disassembly for raw materials and resale as leftover spare parts. I saw 4 or 5 such mangled SBs in UB. Edited April 12, 2007 by Ed_Haynes
Stogieman Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 I'd bet the scrap value of the piece is lower than the value of the order itself. Such a waste...
fjcp Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 . . . and platinum. Even worse?But it does send the (sad) message that these are now being seen as commodities, fit only for disassembly for raw materials and resale as leftover spare parts. I saw 4 or 5 such mangled SBs in UB. I'm guessing that these where taken apart several years ago when they were actually worth nothing more than the gold price....Today they are worth (guessing) at least three times the gold/platinum value so somebody would have to be pretty thick to do that now....Unless the item was stolen and it's being done to cover their tracks....Very sad this!!!!JC
Ed_Haynes Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 No, I think that what is happening is that "The Market" (= "Igor") is shaking out bits and scraps long since "harvested" for their choice bits. I have never seen so many fragments of medals as I saw in March in UB. Any piece is now "martketable" (if anyone buys it).
Bob Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 RECENTLY SOLDpinback- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007screwback- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006CURRENTLY FOR SALESCREWBACK- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.comPINBACK- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1514, www.huesken.com- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com
new world Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 New low serial # for a PB #813!!!!Nice enamel... for sale right now, you know where!!!Starting at $99!!! I wonder where this one will end at!!!Sold for $138.50I thought about getting it, but what are you going to do with such sad and incomplete piece?William
Ed_Haynes Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Yes. So sad.And, as I recall, there are couple more similar ones lying with the same person that will probably come to market soon.
Ed_Haynes Posted April 22, 2007 Posted April 22, 2007 (edited) OK . . . in a (probably futile) effort to "spice things up" here, I present two Sukhbaatar Order badges (both screwback).What do you see?More to come as answers appear (or not). Edited April 22, 2007 by Ed_Haynes
Vatjan Posted April 22, 2007 Author Posted April 22, 2007 (edited) Hmm, the texture of the gold star in A seems to be a bit grainy where as b seems smooth.The letters in Sukhbaa... seem differentAnd the enamel of A seems to be thicker with a more rounded surfaceIntriguing Jan Edited April 22, 2007 by Vatjan
Vatjan Posted April 22, 2007 Author Posted April 22, 2007 And . . . Himself . . . ???He lost some weight in B it would seem, and there is something about the hat, is that a scanning effect? Aargh, the suspense is killing me Jan
Christophe Posted April 22, 2007 Posted April 22, 2007 Ed,Intriguing... I'm totally zero in Mongolian orders, but 3 ideas :1. Is there a "big" difference of period / time between them ?2. Have some of these orders been made in different mints ?3. Have some of them been made outside Mongolia (Soviet Union) ? (which is maybe the case of all of them... but I am totally zero in this field...) Just 3 ideas...Cheers.Ch.
Ed_Haynes Posted April 22, 2007 Posted April 22, 2007 Good questions, Christophe. Thanks. Ed,Intriguing... I'm totally zero in Mongolian orders, but 3 ideas :1. Is there a "big" difference of period / time between them ?Perhaps. Maybe a year or so for these two Sukhbaatar badges shown. The standard badge ("b") is numbered <10 (that is all I can say for now).2. Have some of these orders been made in different mints ?So far as we know, now, all were made in the USSR by МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР but are not so marked.3. Have some of them been made outside Mongolia (Soviet Union) ? (which is maybe the case of all of them... but I am totally zero in this field...) Just 3 ideas...Cheers.Ch.Third question answered above, I think.We MUST all free to guess outside our areas of comfort, otherwise how do we learn? Yes, I am being cruel here . . .
Christophe Posted April 22, 2007 Posted April 22, 2007 Hey Ed, with Mongolian orders, I'm far far far, very far, from my areas of comfort, here!!!!! Cheers.Ch.
Ed_Haynes Posted April 22, 2007 Posted April 22, 2007 Hey Ed, with Mongolian orders, I'm far far far, very far, from my areas of comfort, here!!!!! Cheers.Ch.But your guesses are GOOD and focus our investigations!
Christophe Posted April 22, 2007 Posted April 22, 2007 (...) Perhaps. Maybe a year or so for these two Sukhbaatar badges shown. The standard badge ("b") is numbered <10 (that is all I can say for now).(...)So, I would guess the "a" badge is a prototype... Or do I have to check it is SN 1 ? Cheers.Ch.
Ed_Haynes Posted April 22, 2007 Posted April 22, 2007 So, I would guess the "a" badge is a prototype... Or do I have to check it is SN 1 ? Cheers.Ch.Sukhbaatar #1 was Comrade Stalin's.
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