Robert Noss Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Being new to the Forum, here is one photo to start with.This photo shows 15th company of the bavarian infantry regiment 19 in 1921, early beginning of the Reichswehr period.Company chief was Hauptmann Ferdinand Sch?rner, PLM-winner of the 1st WW.Sch?rner continued his military career and was the last high commander of the germany army in 1945 before the 2nd WW came to its end.I thought this very early shot of Sch?rner is quite interesting and rare.The photo was already marked when I got it.Kind regardsRobert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 robert-GREAT way to start!that is indeed a rarity, an in terrificshape ae well.is that the johanniterorden about his neck?well done, robert!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Noss Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 robert-GREAT way to start!that is indeed a rarity, an in terrificshape ae well.is that the johanniterorden about his neck?well done, robert!joe I thought that is his PLM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 my bad...it has a white pale to it, making me think of st john....thanks!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) Have you noticed the breast decoration of the officer next to Sch?rner? Is it the very rare Tamara order given to German soldiers who served in the Caucasus area (Georgia)?For more info on this decoration, please consult this very intesting link:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1032&hl=TamaraClaudio Edited January 22, 2006 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Robert, I wanted to welcome you to the forum and wish you a most enjoyable experience. I know you will contribute much to our knowledge base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Willkommen Herr Noss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Hello Robert, I would also like to welcome you to the forum. As was noted, you are certainly off to a fine start.With regard to the neck order in the picture, I certainly can not make a judgment - these old eyes are not as sharp as they once were. It does seem, however, that in many pictures of the period, PLM?s often appear to be almost white. A similar situation is often encountered where the yellow ribbon of the centenary medal comes across as being very dark. I think that it has something to do with light refraction.A great photo and again, welcome.Best wishes,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Have you noticed the breast decoration of the officer next to Sch?rner? Is it the very rare Tamara order given to German soldiers who served in the Caucasus area (Georgia)?ClaudioIf it is (and I have no idea what else it could be), then THIS would make the photo REALLY rare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Could it be anything else than a Tammy? Rick? Oh Rick? Tammy ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 As always, a fantastic photo Robert! Interesting that Sch?rner chose to wear ONLY the PLM and nothing else, thereby even slighting his home state.The Feldwebel in front of him is indeed wearing the Georgian Order of Saint/Queen Tamara, which from the reflection of Herself there in the middle appears to be the so-called "officers' 1st Class" type on blue central enamel-- "whiting out" just like the PLM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Welcome Robert!! You will like it hre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Noss Posted January 24, 2006 Author Share Posted January 24, 2006 Here is a more detailed scan of the Feldwebel with the georgian order:And here is another Sch?rner-photo, 17 years later as a battalion commander of a mountain troops regiment Kind regardsRobert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Yup, the same "white" looking blue as the PLM-- the first "in wear" evidence I have seen of the marketing-ploy "classes" of the Tamara. Several documented groups have turned up with the enamel type to privates, but have never seen one of this type actually being worn before. The best thing about collecting photographs is how much pleasure can be obtained from the smallest details! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Hi Robert, Please find one wartime photo of Sch?rner.RegardsChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 (edited) goodness!it seems he was INTENSELY proud of that PlM....to the exclusion of all else!!, althoughi'm sure he had a few other odds and ends in his medal drawer... any chance of a rankliste or othersummation of his awards?joe Edited January 25, 2006 by joe campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W McSwiggan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 goodness!it seems he was INTENSELY proud of that PlM....to the exclusion of all else!!, althoughi'm sure he had a few other odds and ends in his medal drawer... any chance of a rankliste or othersummation of his awards?joeAs well he should be - by my count - he is one of only two company grade army officers serving in non-Prussian ground units to be so honored. The other was, of course - Rommel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Sch?rner received during the WW1 the following awards :- Pour le M?rite- Iron cross 2nd cl.- Iorn cross 1st cl.- Bavarian Military Merit Order 4th cl with X- Bavarian Military Merit Order 4th cl with X and crown- Austrian 3rd cl of Cross of Merit with war decoration- Silver wound badgeI have no informations about his WW2 career. If my memory is ok, I remeber he was the last Feldmarschall promoted by AH. He received the Knight cross of Iron cross with swords, oak leaves and diamonds.RegardsChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 (edited) Hi everybody,I just would like to add a nice picture (a bit too small, sorry!) of Sch?rner I found on the net, showing him at a pre-war official event as Senior officer of the Gebirgsj?ger with all his medals (PlM and medal bar). Maybe that medal bar is somewhere out there... it's not even something special, on the contrary, it's quite a "common" array of decorations for a senior Bavarian career officer.Here's a interesting link with his curriculum vitae and awarded medals (in German):http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Sch%C3%B6rnerCiao,Claudio Edited January 25, 2006 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Claudiosurely thats a prewar photograph. RegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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