scottplen Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) looking at this Bavarian merit cross 1st class ! I know they are a mine field ? What do you guys say good or bad ??? I'm leaning Bad ? But not sure ? Edited June 21, 2017 by scottplen
Stogieman Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 Is it just my old eyes or is that EK2 bogus as well?
David M Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 its just so shiny. I was in a museum once in Germany and they sold IC like tese at the gift shop, along with new PROA3
Dansson Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Better photos of the EK2 would be good, but from the pictures it looks like an original Deumer.
Claudio Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 IMHO the EK2 is original, very likely like Dansson said, a Deumer piece, produced in the late 20ies/early 30ies. These sometimes you can find in pretty pristine conditions. I got a group of a officer and WWI veteran that had 2 EK1 1914... one was heavily worn on the field and the other one it was mint like the one you have on this bar. I don't like the BMVK1X either... these are easily upgraded by skilled collectors/dealers who have professional skills in gilding process and also in enamel repairs (I know a Bavarian collector/dealer who did it...). I would stick with textbook BMVK1, early types, 3 pieces medallion with gold L cyphers. Not all the Bavarian BMVK producers, produced the 1st class cross for instance...
laurentius Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 I visited the houten militaria fair today, one of the biggest in holland and the company selling this bar had it with them and allowed me to inspect it and I must admit that in real-life, as is so often the case, the medals look better. I admit, the deumer iron cross is made during the interbellum, but the bavarian MVK 1.st class with swords is most certainly real. Kind regards, Laurentius
spolei Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 Hello, the MVK is a bad fake, the enamel looks awful. The Jubileemedal is also bad. regards Andreas
laurentius Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Dear andreas, you say that the jubileemedal is bad, would you be so kind to tell me what's wrong with it Kind regards, Laurentius
spolei Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Hello, the jubileemedal is a postwar production. Look at the ringholder, it is smaller than the original. The original medal is much thicker. Here the two kinds, left original right postwar production. regards Andreas
laurentius Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) Mmm, yes, quite a difference indeed. Thank you for your explanation. Kind regards Laurentius Edited July 3, 2017 by laurentius typo
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