Oberstleutnant von Stamford - medal bar and miniatures

[Claudio]

Dear forumites,

I'd like to present my latest purchase. A fine medal bar with and a "Miniaturkettchen" (Miniatures) for civilian attire.

•    Preußen, Roter Adler Orden 4. Kl., Herst. Wagner (OEK 1703 ), S/emailliert;
•    Preußen, Kronenorden 3. Kl., Herst. Wagner (OEK 1757), G/emailliert;
•    Preußen; Offz. DA f. 25 Dienstjahre, 4. Form ab 1895 (OEK 1970/1), Br vg;
•    Preußen, Kriegsdenkmünze für Nichtkämpfer 1870/1871 (OEK 1941/2), St;
•    Preußen, Zentenarmedaille 1897 (OEK 1965), Br vg;
•    Persien, Kaiserlicher Sonnen- und Löwenorden gestiftet 1808, Ritterkreuz für Ausländer (sitzender Löwe);
•    Waldeck, Militärverdienstkreuz für Offiziere 2. Klasse 1861 (OEK 2867), S vg mit echt goldenem AV-Medaillon, Efler Seite 60 133 Verleihungen, zurückgegeben (Tod des Trägers) 38, verliehen am 14.1.1882.

This officer resided in Hofgeismar and was Lieutenant-Colonel in the Dragoon Regiment 5 and got his Waldeck MVO2 on January 14th 1882. He was promoted Rittmeister during the Franco-Prussian war (1870-71), Major in 1885 and retired as Oberstleutnant (all this info I got it from the very interesting book of Efler about Waldeck-Pyrmont orders and medals).

However I do not have more data about him: date of birth and death, his CV or any other interesting info. It would be also quite interesting to know how he got the Persian order. I would really appreciate a lot if someone could provide me with more info about this a bit elusive officer.

Thank you very much in advance for your interest and your future comments and inputs.

Best regards,

C

Edited December 3, 2017 by Claudio

[Paul C]

Very nice.

 

[scottplen]

Wow great research!

[HeikoGrusdat]

Claudio...congrats for this nice medal bar , I really love these Persian orders on bars

 

BUT

 

I have two points for you....

1. his name was Stamford with m not n

and 2. ....where the heck is his 1866 cross???????

 

all the best

Heiko

[Claudio]

Thanks Heiko for the correction... yes it’s a m not n. My fault. There’s no mention of 1866 campaign cross in Efler’s book. I don’t know why Stamford didn’t wear on his bar or miniature chain... that is most strange....

Edited December 3, 2017 by Claudio

[HeikoGrusdat]

Yes it is... Just to be safe you should check other possible men with that combination 

[Chris Boonzaier]

I assume the fact that he never served 1870 and missed out on an EK makes it somewhat scarcer?

[arb]

Claudio,

Another wonderful bar!

I'll leave it up to you and others to decide whether this bar did belong to von Stamford.  In case you confirm that it did, here are his career highlights.  As you can see, he served his entire "Prussian" career in Drag. R. 5.

Andy

Ludwig Theodor von Stamford  (23.11.1832-??)

04.03.84  m. Pens. u.d. Unif. d. DR 5 z. Disp. gestellt

08.03.83  d. etatsm. St. Offiz. vom Drag. R. 5, unter Verleihung d. Ranges eines Regiments Kommandeurs, mit Belass. sr. bish. Unif. zu d. Offizieren von der Armee vers.

13.09.82  Oberstlt.

26.06.75  Major

11.04.67  Rittm.

30.10.66  in Drag. R. 5 übernommen   If he was taken into the Prussian army from the old Kurhessian army after its defeat in 1866, would this not mean he fought against the Prussians in 1866 and not with them??????

27.07.60  Prem.Lt.

04.10.51  Sek.Lt. in Kurhess. 2. Hus. R.

 

[Claudio]

Interesting... thanks for the most valuable inputs. It could also well be that that Pr66 was listed as a mistake. That wouldn’t be the first time that it happened. Furthermore most of the officers who participated the Franco-Prussian war didn’t always automatically end up with a EK like in later wars when EKs were more abundantly awarded. Not to mention that he got a KDM 70-71 in steel (not in bronze) henceforth for non-combatants. 

C

 

 

[arb]

My guess is he stayed behind with the Ersatz Eskadron, hence the lack of EK and a non-combatant KDM.  A DR 5 unit history might clear that point up.

[Komtur]

Nice bar

He got the "stay-at-home" version of the KDM: non-combatant medal on combatant ribbon. That means he was in active military service during the war, but never crossed the border to France.

[webr55]

Most interesting research, arb! That solves the question why the 1866 is not on his bar. He definitely was on the Kurhessian side, so fought against the Prussians in 1866.

And great bar of course, Claudio!

[HeikoGrusdat]

a bit off topic...but just for illustration - another little Waldeck-Persia-combo... Regimentsadjudant Premier-Lieutenant von Lengerke IR83

[Claudio]

Great picture! Thanks for posting it; it looks like this photo was taken during the same period when Stamford would have gotten his Persian order, I wonder the reason of the bestowal. Maybe a high ranking visit from Persia in Waldeck?

[HeikoGrusdat]

Think so...must have been between the second half of 1890 and the first half of 1891....in the 1890 ranklist there is no one with this order and in the 1891 ranklist there are 3 officers of the regiment with Persia sun and lion

[VtwinVince]

Very interesting Schnalle, Claudio. I presume this officer had some Anglo background, judging from his name?

[Claudio]

Hi Vince!

I thought it too. I couldn’t find nothing about the German branch of this family though. 

https://www.houseofnames.com/stamford-family-crest

 

[VtwinVince]

Hmmm, that's interesting. Maybe from a Jacobite family, my grandmother's neighbor in Koenigsberg was called Douglas.

[Trooper_D]

On 11/12/2017 at 19:17, VtwinVince said:

Very interesting Schnalle, Claudio. I presume this officer had some Anglo background, judging from his name?

This extract appears to support that thesis

Source: Link to Google Books

and this German language web page appears to explain the origins of the family,

https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/ADB:Stamford,_Heinrich_Wilhelm_von

 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Trooper_D

[Claudio]

Some more data (ancestry) on Friedrich Theodor Ludwig von Stamford:

Friedrich Ludwig Theodor von Stamford geboren am 23.11.1832 in Allendorf Werra (Bezirk Kassel, Kurfürstentum Hessen), Sohn des Friedrich Wilhelm Leopold von Stamford und der Charlotte Sophie Wiederhold (geb. 1810 – Todesdatum unbekannt), verheiratet in Littlemore (Oxfordshire, England) am 29.09.1869 mit (Harriet) Maud Huntingford (1848-1942). Ehegattin am 23.07.1942 in Belgium verstorben. Tochter Wilhelmine Maud von Stamford in Frankfurt a.M. (Hessen-Nassau, Preussen, Deutsches Reich) 08.02.1871 geboren.

Interesting that he married in England!

C

Edited December 13, 2017 by Claudio

[Dave Danner]

I was wondering why no moderator had fixed the thread title, and then remembered that I was the moderator. 

[HeikoGrusdat]

[Claudio]

Thanks for the correction!