Soviet Partisan Medals - 1st and 2nd Class

[JimZ]

I've studied the larger scans and if I had to make a call on these two medals I would say that they are both repros/fakes.

Sergei is right in saying that basing oneself on scans is not the most reliable way of authenticating a medal or order. However, there are usually little tell tale marks which give can help to reaching conclusions and based on what I can see I would not go for these medals myself.

Sorry if this is not what you may want to hear from us guys but its always better this way.

May I ask what you paid for these medals as they are not exactly the cheapest ones around......

Jim

[Sergei]

Jim,

Are you referring to my larger scans or OoV's scans? If it's mine, do you reckon both of my pictures are fakes? Between the two of us we posted too many scans!

Thanks,

Sergei

[JimZ]

Hi Sergei,

I am referring to OoV's scans. YEs it does get confusing sometimes

Jim

[order_of_victory]

I've studied the larger scans and if I had to make a call on these two medals I would say that they are both repros/fakes.

Sergei is right in saying that basing oneself on scans is not the most reliable way of authenticating a medal or order. However, there are usually little tell tale marks which give can help to reaching conclusions and based on what I can see I would not go for these medals myself.

Sorry if this is not what you may want to hear from us guys but its always better this way.

May I ask what you paid for these medals as they are not exactly the cheapest ones around......

Jim

Hi Jim,

I bought a a collection of Medals that were purchased in Georgia a while back mainly for the Screw back Red Banner and got these a Boarder guards medal and fire fighters one and a load of other bits throw in so Idont have a general price

Its just good to no what you have weather it be genuine or fake

Order of Victory

[Guest Darrell]

They are NOT cheap. The documented pair I showed to start the thread off cost me:

1st Class Documented = 350 US$

2nd Class Documented = 325 US$

That was about 1 year ago.

[JimZ]

Precisely Darell! My point is that I was just hoping OOV did not pay a fortune for them!!

Georgia & Latvia amongst other states seem to be churning out some good fakes at 'tempting prices'. The buyer thinking he's on a winner .... well frankly gets shafted!

Jim

[Eric Gaumann]

BTW does any one have any suggesions why these are full scratches

Order of Victory

My guess is they are casting flaws, and since the original medal was struck and not cast that would make them copies.

But I'm not an expert.

I should post my PM1 here. Hang on....

Edited February 14, 2007 by Eric Gaumann

[Eric Gaumann]

And closer-up of the medallions:

I believe (as told both other, more knowledgeable folks) that this is a fairly good copy (aka Fake).

The less than crisp details on the faces (moustaches, collars, tie knot) are bad points although there are other details that I do think are good.

I'd love to hear other opinions though so please gimme your best shot.

[Eric Gaumann]

hello?

[Guest Darrell]

Hello

I believe these are fakes as well.

[Gerd Becker]

Hi Eric.

i agree with Darrel, thats not an original. Maybe i should add, the copies of the Partisan Medal are damned good sometimes..

Gerd

[JimZ]

Hi Eric.

i agree with Darrel, thats not an original. Maybe i should add, the copies of the Partisan Medal are damned good sometimes..

Gerd

Without a shadow of doubt! Cast copies and at first glance, the quality of the relief and suspension rings are very clear evidence that these are not original.

Jim

[Ed_Haynes]

A Partisan 2nd class, now "extracted" from a "group thet wasn't a group" (but with which I am very happy anyway!). See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=16257&hl=2279019.

I think I suspect the judgment, but . . . ????

Obverse:

Edited October 25, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Ed_Haynes]

Reverse:

[Bryan]

Nice salty medal as I like them! Ed do you have any other partisan medals in your collection or you are expecting to find one in a group one day?

[Ed_Haynes]

Nice salty medal as I like them! Ed do you have any other partisan medals in your collection or you are expecting to find one in a group one day?

This is the only ONLY one. Came "rogued" into a "group" (as referenced above), but my peculiar joy lies in groups (with HISTORY), and partisan groups are almost too good ever to hope for (these dark days of Soviet collecting).

But is it "kosher"??? About these medals, I have much fear.

[Bryan]

I'm sure not the specialist in that field, but your medal seems "Kosher" to me!

[Paul R]

Are they really this expensive now?!?!

http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17476

[Ed_Haynes]

Are they really this expensive now?!?!

<a href="http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17476" target="_blank">http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17476</a>

While Igor's prices always tend toward the high end of the curve, these are the sorts of prices one encounters, yes. For that reason, it has become widely faked. Hence, my questions about my second class.

Edited October 27, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Guest Darrell]

While Igor's prices always tend toward the high end of the curve, ........

Ed, I think that's the understatement of the year. I got the documented one for ~ $350 within 18 months ago. Price gouging and a monopoly on the market is what I call those ridiculous prices

[Bryan]

I'm sure a second class like Igor's one wouldn't even get to $500 on eBay.

[Ferdinand]

Absolutely, it's an ugly medal - fine condition, ugly red oxidation, new ribbon...

[order_of_victory]

. For that reason, it has become widely faked. Hence, my questions about my second class.

And the more money they bring the better the fakes will get

Order of Victory

[RedMaestro]

Two partisan medals just sold on ebay. The 1st class was $280, and the 2nd class $171.50. The links are below if you want to look at the pictures.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...bayphotohosting

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...4.cWAT.m240.lVI

[matteti]

My Partisan 1st Class, unfortunately not documented.