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Gutman was responsible for the EK1. Hitler got the EK2 very early in the war and was noted for having done so.

Chris!! I would BE VERY interested in seeing that letter. AS in Name-your-price-interested!!!!!! Seriously. I need it for leverage. Weber has some unidentified citations and either he is making some of his book up (and I do not think he is, he seems meticulous, although he draws some eccentric conclusions and seems to be more a bad lawyer stylistically than a good writer. The KEY cite I want (and he is ignoring me after my tepid review on the WW1 forum) is the EK1 award statistics he allegedly found in a newspaper from July, 1918. It proves what I said about the EK1 to privates being numerically rarer than a PLM award! Gutman made it out of Belgium just after the invasion and was almost bombed by a stuka as he and his family fled southwards into a Vichy concentration camp. Thence they managed to immigrate to the USA because of US relatives who paid their way. Gutman changed his name to Grant after the department store in NYC (WT Grants) when he got to the USA. After his encounter with the Gestapo he was not keen on Hitler finding him after the "EK1" controversy of 1931/32 in which the SPD publicized Hitlers lack of special merit for the cross. According to the Grant family, Gutman NEVER spoke of his war time experiences with almost anyone and I am now wondering if the Toland interview even happened at all-given the Speer interviews that apparently were not as "complete" as Toland said they were. A letter from Speer showed up last year to a historian/collector in which he says that he knows Toland was no friend and was no happy about the way in which Toland misquoted things he said to fit his own 'writing style'. Hitler certainly had other jewish/SPD/KPD members of RIR16 arrested and specifically murdered and Gutman was actively sought by the Gestapo.

Lucky, lucky man! I am drooling.

I have the regiments' history. (well, the Munich battalions)..and an obscure little book it is too. What else would you like to know?

was he an officer?

Well, I saw a letter on sale at a local militria shop @ 12 years ago by Toland about his interview with Grant (Gutmann) or so i thought. Actually, Webers' new book says a lot about what happened and Gutmann was lucky to have survived the Third Reich. He certainly was not keen on Hitlers'EK1 and avoided talking about it for the rest of his life. He did NOT receive a pension from Hitler and was accorded no special treatment. What did you find Chris?

I do not think this is accurate. I am positive I have seen officers LS awards during Weimar- CERTAINLY in 1919-22.... and the older imperial medals were used.

Good Lord!! Is that a PIN BACK version of the Ethiopian Victory cross? :speechless1:

I would wager my money on a naval or Oldenburgian Stabarzt dR.who got recalled in @ 1937-40. Note NO LS medals. Wer ist Wer might help.

RR and I discussed this at length a few years back and I am presently using my Xmas present (a gift to ancestry.com) to snout round the files of BRIR16. Originally the LS medals were only to have been awarded to REGULAR EM/NCOs. As war time counted double there is a question as to whether the time was counted in calender years OR as mere annual. The Bavarians certainly were handing out LS medals to Reservists EM and war time Volunteers as early as late 1917. Hitler got his and so did a bunch of other 1914 "survivors" (but to be fair, there were VERY FEW of these). I have seen NO Prussian LS awards to war volunteers NOR to reservists. I am also VERY curious as to the status of navy enlisted men. As "imperial troops" were they all regulars? If so, did they qualify? Good topic. Ok!!! I just had this question answered! Thanks Thierry! Look at the Hauptman Peters thread- a Bavarian AND served in DSWA. War time service was counted ANNUALLY and -for the Bavarians, LS awards were handed out towards the end of the war-at least on paper!!

wow! The collecting Gods were kind to you CD! That medal bar is awesome.

Good Lord that is rare. Is that real silver? It appears as if that is painted on enamel. Is there a Who's Who for southern Africa at all? Worthy of an OMRS article methinks-

QED: 1938-

Japanese- China incident medal-right?

If thats' a 1920s Fianna belt- well, score! :jumping:

whoop! whoop! A new badge! Looks late....1980s? Is there any information at all? The HUPR loved it miners huh? :jumping: :jumping:

Hmmmm... I have LtdR Schneider in IR 28 and then transferring to IR 69 in July, 1915. But there was also a Gerhard Schneider who was a Major who was in the Regiments Verein in 1929 (and living in Frankfurt).

what does the pencil say in the lower right? Also, methinks I see an Olympic medal on that ribbon bar.

Bizarre the way his first wife died.

whoa! Fantastic medal. How did you ever get that? Is that the one awarded to allied nurses etc? Are there award numbers at all?

Polish veterans' campaign badge: type 1, Lithuanian-White Russian Front (Polish- Bolshevik war of 1919-1921). Fig 914 in Wesolowskis' book.

Surely not "last"- I hope that was a typo and you meant "latest". Superb article. The Carlist wars are really interesting.

Note the US medal. That woman is legendary.

Bravo Cousin! Bravo!!