House Order of Hohenzollern - info needed

[webr55]

Martin Rocholl died in Reservelazarett Heidelberg as Oberst on 6.6.1944 (death certificate at ancestry). He was born in Köln on 30.8.1883. 

Went into Polizei after WW1, in the Schupo RL 1933 as Polizei-OTL in Magdeburg. Also had the Hanseatic Cross. 

 

Edited March 15, 2022 by webr55

[Dave Danner]

On 20/02/2022 at 20:59, Dave Danner said:

 

Leuchgens, Maria Joseph Mathias
28.2.1889 in Neuwerk, †10.7.1965 ebd.
18.1.1915 Lt.d.R. (Crefeld) d. FußAR 9

Supplement to the earlier post:

 

Beobachtungs-Offizier in Ballonzug 76, Ballonzug 107, Ballonzug 121, Ballonzug 128.

 

EK2 (18.2.15), EK1 (25.11.15), HOH3X, BMV4X (14.11.16)

[Daniel Krause]

Thanks guys!!

Most helpful!!!!

 

Best,

Daniel

[webr55]

Willy von Klösterlein died 16.7.1945 in Berlin (death certificate at ancestry). 

 

Major a.D. Hugo Klemmert was born 8.10.1880 in Würzburg, died 20.7.1957 in Halle/S (death certificate at ancestry). 

[webr55]

Konrad/Conrad Kleinekuhle, former Hptm dR in IR 161, retired as Oberpostrat in Koblenz in 1938. 

 

From Kölnische Zeitung, 24.10.1938. 

[webr55]

Lt dL Klatt from LIR 8 should be Fritz Klatt from Niedzwedzen, Johannisburg (as per Verlustlisten). 

[Dave Danner]

Nelson, Wilhelm Friedrich
*07.11.1887 in Creuzburg, Preußisch Eylau

 

Gerichtsreferendar in Königsberg, später Frankfurt an der Oder
01.10.1913 als Einjährig-Freiwilliger in die M.G.-Kompanie des Grenadier-Regiments Nr. 2 eingetreten
31.07.1914 mit der M.G.-Kompanie des Grenadier-Regiments Nr. 3 ins Feld
17.09.1914 Unteroffizier der Reserve
04.11.1914 Vizefeldwebel der Reserve
16.01.1915 Leutnant der Reserve (I Königsberg) des Grenadier-Regiments Nr. 3
29.05.1915 in die 3. Ersatz-M.G.-Kompanie des I. Armeekorps versetzt
30.01.1916 als Führer eines M.G.-Scharfschützen-Trupps zum M.G.-Lehrkursus Döberitz versetzt
19.02.1916 als Führer des M.G.-Scharfschützen-Trupps in das Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 193 versetzt
14.09.1916 M.G.-Scharfschützen-Trupp 1 in die 3. Kompanie des M.G.-Scharfschützen-Abteilung Nr. 5 F umgebildet
22.10.1916 Bezeichnung der M.G.-Scharfschützen-Abteilung Nr. 5 F zur Nr. 13 umgeändert
05.01.1919 in die 2. Ersatz-M.G.-Kompanie des I. Armeekorps versetzt
14.01.1919 entlassen

 

12.12.1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse
22.12.1916 Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse
16.10.1918 Ritterkreuz des Kgl. Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern

 

Edited April 3, 2022 by Dave Danner

[webr55]

Good find! A new one who is probably listed in the Königsberger Hartungsche Zeitung - only that I currently don't have access to digitized issues after September 1918! 

[webr55]

WIlly Kölker, credited here with HHOX, would be another new one:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Kölker

 

 

Stumme would be Gerhard, at least he is credited here:  

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Stumme_(Landrat) 

Edited April 4, 2022 by webr55

[webr55]

Lt dL Emil(e) Cabayot was born in Metz on 19.12.1879 acc. to Verlustlisten, died there on 23.2.1966:

 

https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/L5TQ-F84/emile-cabayot-1879-1966

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by webr55

[webr55]

Lt Otto Buurman(n) is this one, matching birthdates with Verlustlisten. He became a doctor, DRK "Bundesarzt", 1890-1967, other awards also listed here:

 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Buurman

 

 

[webr55]

Hugo v. Abercron, later char. GM, 1869-1945, also more awards here:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_von_Abercron

 

[webr55]

Did Olivier von Beaulieu-Marconnay receive the HHOX before his PLM? The German Wikipedia explicitly mentions this:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_von_Beaulieu-Marconnay

 

 

[Soderbaum]

Hi webr55

 

I dont think that the info on Wikipedia regarding Willy Kölker is reliable. It seems to be a complete mix-up with PlM candidate Lt dR Paul Billik.

It apparently did not exist any pilot witn the name Kölker within the Fliegertruppe, no victory list have him, not mention in any loss lists.

 

The photo shows a man with the U-boat badge. No Kölker is listed in the Marine ERL.

 

So you can safely remove him

 

Gunnar

[Dave Danner]

There were three Feldartillerie officers named Hertz who received the HOH3X:

 

• OLt.d.R., FAR 504 - 18.07.1918 HOH3X
• OLt.d.R., FAR 17 - 30.09.1918 HOH3X
• Lt.d.R., RFAR 3 - 15.10.1918 HOH3X

 

The first two I know, but I don't know which was which:

 

Hertz, Gustav, *13.04.1886 in Kleptow, Prenzlau, †25.02.1967 in Verden an der Aller; Lt.d.R. (Anklam) d. FAR 17 (27.01.11), 17.05.16 OLt.d.R., ... Maj.d.R., Kdr. I./AR 258, OTL d.R., Kdr. AR 240, 01.07.42 Oberst d.R.; besides the HOH3X, other known awards are the Ritterkreuz (29.09.40), DKiG (20.03.42), Anerkennungsurkunde des Ob.d.H. (05.12.44), Allgemeines Sturmabzeichen, Verwundetenabzeichen in schwarz.

 

Hertz, Albrecht Franz Julius, *11.06.1887 in Eichenrode, Wirsitz, †03.09.1937 in Berlin; Lt.d.R. (VI Berlin) d. FAR 17, 27.4.18 OLt.d.R.; Ingenieur in Berlin.

 

Hans, the OLt.d.R. in FAR 53, was already a Hptm.d.R. from 30.07.1915, so he can be eliminated from consideration.

 

The other Lt.d.R. in FAR 17 was Albrecht's brother Georg. He was "schwer verwundet" in 1915 and discharged in 1916, so he can be eliminated.

 

I don't have anything on Martin, the Lt.d.R. in FAR 9, other than that he was born in Würzburg. He is probably the one who received the MMV2 with the Munitions-Kolonnen und Trains of the 54. ID.

 

The RFAR 3 Lt.d.R. is a bit of a mystery.  RFAR 3 was a Pomeranian regiment and the active Hauptmann in FAR 17, Jochen, was a Batterie-Führer in RFAR 3. The only Lt.d.R. I know of connected to RFAR 3 was Albert, the later Luftwaffe Oberst. He would seem like the best candidate; however, it appears that he is the Lt.d.R. who was made an active Leutnant in FAR 17 on 14.10.1917, a year before the award of the HOH3X. Maybe Gunnar has come across him in his research into Fliegertruppe officers? He was from Kleptow, like Hans and Gustav, so they may be brothers.

 

 

[Deruelle]

Hi

 

New discovery about Ernst Freiherr von Althaus. We have never found the exact date of his HOH3X award. In Dresdner Nachrichten, on the date of May, the 11th 1916, it is said that he aldready had the EK1 and had new award : the HOH3X.

 

 

Like his 6th victory is on May, the 3rd 1916. He received it as an immediate award probably on 8 or 9 May.

 

I think it is the same about his EK1, His 5th victory is on 30 April 1916, he should received it 1st May as an immediate award

 

Christophe

[Dave Danner]

Christophe, according to the Militär-Kabinett, his HOH3X was awarded on 3 May 1916.

[Soderbaum]

Hi Dave,

 

Regarding the later Luftwaffe und Dr Albert Hertz, I dont think he is the man with connection to RFAR 3. He later changed his family name to Hertz-Kleptow. I also have his Regiment as FAR 17. He received the EKI already on 30.08.1916, so in that way he is an candidate. He received the Erinnerunsabzeichen on 12.02.1920 as he did qualified for over three Years service within the Fliegertruppe.

 

So the search continue

 

Gunnar

[Mattyboy]

A first name: Lt dR Paul Meyer (MWB 28.6.1917) from the Bielefelder General-Anzeiger dated 11th July 1917. His EK1 award was noted in the same newspaper, dated 02nd November 1915. 

[webr55]

Georg August Balduin Auenmüller, born 1893 in Dresden, died 1939 in Berlin, death certificate at ancestry. Also listed in Adressbuch Dresden 1925 as Olt aD.

 

 

[Daniel Krause]

Hello Friends,

 

thanks a lot!

 

I agree with Söderbaum about Kölker,

 

Beaulieu - no, I do not think so. There were some cases, even late in the war, that the plm was awarded without a previous HOH3X. I had him quite long on my "suspects-list".

 

Best,

Daniel

[Dave Danner]

Gschwind, Edgar Roß
*9.12.1870 in Cassel

†18.4.1963 in Flensburg
Hauptmann, FAR 73, Major am 27.1.1915, Oberstleutnant a.D.

 

Known awards are the RAO4, HOH3X and Cent. He may also have received the Prussian DA after the war.

 

[Dave Danner]

There is a Lt.d.R. Lepper who received the HOH3X on 18.05.1918 while serving with Fliegerabteilung 39, gazetted in the MWB on 16.07.1918.

 

I have one Lepper connected to the Fliegertruppe, but his Kriegsrangliste entry ended in 1916. Maybe Gunnar knows whether he was the one in FA 39 in 1918 or if there is another candidate.

 

Lepper, Friedrich (Fritz) Andreas Heinrich
*07.01.1889 in Cassel
†27.10.1970 in Hanau

Landmesser in Jarotschin

01.10.1912-30.09.1913 Einjährig-Freiwilliger im IR 83
03.08.1914 in das IR 47 eingerückt
10.10.1914 Unteroffizier d.R.
21.11.1914 Vizefeldwebel d.R.
27.01.1915 Leutnant d.R. (Schrimm) des IR 47
13.06.1916 zur Ausbildung als Beobachter zur FEA 4 Posen versetzt
15.07.1916 zum Beobachter-Kursus bei der FEA 6
11.08.1916 dem AFP Strantz überwiesen
29.08.1916 zur FFA 19 kommandiert
03.10.1916 in die FFA 19 versetzt

 

Known awards:

09.10.1914 EK2
24.09.1915 EK1
31.10.1916 Beobachter-Abzeichen
xx.xx.191x K.u.k. Österreich-Ungarisches Militärverdienstkreuz 3. Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration 3. Klasse
xx.xx.191x Verwundetenabzeichen in schwarz

 

[Dave Danner]

Bartholomäus, Karl Ernst Max
*16.04.1886 in Eschwege

†27.11.1962 in Eschwege
Fabrikant; Leutnant d.R. (II Cassel) des 2.GFAR, Oberleutnant d.R. am 31.05.1915, Hauptmann d.R. am 05.06.1918. 

Known awards: HOH3X, FEK

 

[Soderbaum]

Hi Dave,

 

I really like that you use the historic correct spelling of places, like writing Cassel instead of Kassel ?

Regarding Lt dR Friedrich Lepper, he served within FA 39 from 03.10.1917 until 17.05.1918 when he was posted to BG 2/11.

 

Both his BAMA file and the file on ancestry.de contains some contradicting info regarding his different aviation units.

After the War he was a member of the society Bund-Bogohl, a society for former flyers from BAM,KG 2,BG 2,BG 6.

He ended up as Hptm dL during WW2.

 

Gunnar