House Order of Hohenzollern - info needed

[webr55]

Here is a very late notice for one we don't have yet it seems:

 

Lt dR Friedrich Craß from Hamborn 

Hamborner Volkszeitung, 11.7.1920

 

[webr55]

The Hptm dR Gärtner from RFAR 7 was Hans Gärtner, later Landrat. Died in Münster in 1972:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Gärtner_(Landrat)

 

From Die Glocke, 12.1.1941

 

[webr55]

The Major "Marschalk", who got the HHOX in late 1918, puzzles me a bit. There is no "Marschalk" in the ERL. There were two Obersten "Marschalck von Bachtenbrock", but it can be neither Wilhelm, from DR 21 (he was already OTL by 1917), nor Arnold (a zD OTL). 

Of the officers with name "Marschall", only one would fit: Alfred Ernst Erich Marschall from IR 132, born 13.3.1872 in Mescherin. 

 

If it's not him, then it could only be one of the several Majore "Marschall von Bieberstein", but that would have meant several mistakes had been made in the MWB. 

[webr55]

Ulrich Hugo Julius Materne, born 28. Dez. 1871 in Schroda, died in Preetz 13. Okt. 1954, as OTL aD (acc. to myheritage).

 

 

Ernst Philipp Otto Mathi, born 6.11.1868 in Frankfurt/M., alive in 1939. 

[webr55]

For the Hptm dR Mathieu from RIR 30, there are two possibilities, both in 1914 Lt dR from IR 30, both from Roden (brothers?): 

 

- Nikolaus, born 1880 in Roden 

- Adolf, born 1884 in Roden, died as Dr. jur., Amtsgerichtsrat in 1929, see death notice below

[Dave Danner]

It is Nikolaus. Adolf was apparently not a front officer. Nikolaus was wounded in 1915 as Adjutant of I./RIR 30.

 

1903 Einjährig-Freiwilliger im IR 30
27.01.06 Leutnant d.R. (I Essen)
16.02.15 OLt.d.R., z.Zt. im RIR 30
19.05.17 Hptm.d.R.
27.12.18 entlassen

 

Adolf's promotions:

21.07.06 Leutnant d.R.
22.05.15 OLt.d.R., z.Zt. beim Kriegsgefangenenlager Gießen
12.08.18 Hptm.d.R., z.Zt. beim Ers./IR 65

 

 

[Deruelle]

On 10/12/2020 at 16:35, Mattyboy said:

Hi Daniel, 

Make that 402! Rittm Walter Heymann (also served in Flieger Abt 256). From the Dresdner Nachrichten dated 14.01.1933. 

 

Hello,

Have you find when he received the HOH3X ? Thanks

 

Christophe

[Mattyboy]

Hi Christophe, 

Sorry I haven't found the date for Heymann. I might have found a new recipient though - Generalmajor Theodor Leutwein. I did a cut-and-paste job on the article:- 

 

https://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Leutwein,_Theodor_Gotthilf 

 

 

[webr55]

The Olt dR "Bennighoven" in our list is Dr. jur. Wilhelm Benninghoven, later also Prof. I couldn't find his living dates, but he is found as "Syndikus" during the 1920s in Essen, and in Essen address books until at least 1965. 

 

Essener Volkszeitung, 22.10.1918

 

 

[Mattyboy]

The Lt dR Großkinsky is Karl, from RIR 110. He also had the BZ3bx. From the Mannheimer General-Anzeiger date 30 July 1918. 

 

https://druckschriften-digital.marchivum.de/zd/periodical/search/173682?query=großkinsky 

 

[webr55]

Nice article, and Leutwein's Hohenzollern was for colonial service. 

[Dave Danner]

16 hours ago, Deruelle said:

Hello,

Have you find when he received the HOH3X ? Thanks

 

Christophe

17.9.1918

[Deruelle]

Many thanks Dave

[webr55]

About Hptm dR Grzybowski from RFußAR 6: There were two Grzybowskis, both originally from the same regiment (FußAR1), one a regular, one a reserve. May have been related:

 

- Paul Benjamin Karl RIchard, born 25.1.1871 in Mierunsken Kreis Oletzko, Major 1914, so the HHOX recipient cannot be him, died 1919. His father was August Grzybowski, pastor in Königsberg (1842-1922).

- The other one was a reserve officer, in 1914 Lt dR, from Samter. He is most probably Friedrich August Grzybowski, born 8.2.1873 in Grabowken Kreis Sensburg (acc. to ancestry). He is found in a publication called "Die Leiter der preußischen Katasterämter bis ~1939" as being with Katasteramt Samter from 1905 to 1919, then Katasteramt Königsberg/Neumark from 1919-21, finally Katasteramt-Direktor in Berlin until 1937, when he retired. 

 

Edited June 6, 2022 by webr55

[webr55]

On 16/01/2021 at 19:53, webr55 said:

This might be a new one: Lt dR Stumpf from Bentheim

From Münsterischer Anzeiger, 5.11.1918

 

Just a thought: Any chance that this is the later Flak Oberst Paul Stumpf (born 1893)?
In the 1914 RL, there is a Lt dR Stumpf in FAR 25. 

 

 

Confirmed: Lt dR Stumpf was Paul Stumpf. 

 

Essener Volkszeitung, 29.10.1918

 

 

[webr55]

The other Stumpf, Hptm dR in LIR 77, can only have been Hans Heinrich Otto Stumpf, in 1914 Olt dR in IR 77. Born 2.12.1877 in Grabow/Lüchow, survived the war. 

 

We had him here before btw:

 

Edited June 6, 2022 by webr55

[webr55]

And we have another Müller: Lt dR Joseph Müller from Bredeney/Essen 

 

 

Essener Volkszeitung, 31.10.1918

 

 

[Mattyboy]

Hptm dL Imhoff is Hans. From the Mannheimer GA dated 30.09.1918. 

[webr55]

The Lt dR Kahlhardt from IR 172 is most probably Walter, born 7.9.1896 in Langensalza, wounded three times. 

 

 

[webr55]

Hptm dR Klinnert was a tricky case. In 1914, he is in IR 63 as Hptm dR, from Posen. Not easy to find out more about him, but it looks like he was from Zoll. The Prussian "Zentralblatt" for Customs 1916 lists him in Schwersenz (Posen). Other sources ("Amtsblatt der Reichsfinanzverwaltung" etc.) show him as Zollinspektor in Remscheid after WW1, moving to Solingen in 1920. I finally find an "Oberzollrat Karl Klinnert" in the address book Krefeld 1931, I believe this is him. 

[Daniel Krause]

Hello friends,

 

thanks a lot!!!

 

Lt dR Friedrich Craß - I am a bit reluctant to "believe" it.

From the files in Doorn about awards of the HOH after 1918 there was only ONE heavly disucced case of a late award of a HOH3X for WW1. That was Hugo Rudel in 1927.

 

Frhr. von Schade - my mistake! I did mix up 2 of that guys.

 

Best,

Daniel

[Glenn J]

On 09/06/2022 at 14:18, webr55 said:

I finally find an "Oberzollrat Karl Klinnert" in the address book Krefeld 1931, I believe this is him. 

 

You are absolutely right.

 

Regards

Glenn

[webr55]

Pfarrer Max Treichel got the HHOX as Divisionspfarrer, died in 1943.

 

From Langenberger Zeitung, 26.11.1943.

 

 

[webr55]

We might have had him before: Henry Prahl was Lt dR from Pioniere, later Baurat in Hilden.

 

From Langenberger Zeitung, 19.11.1937.

 

Born 1891, he died in 1944 (KIA?):

https://billiongraves.com/grave/Henry-Prahl/15489874

 

[Mattyboy]

The first name for Hptm dR Menzel is Walter, from IR 19. His EK1 is noted in the 18th June 1915 edition of the Posener Tageblatt. His record on Ancestry states that he was born in 1880, and he died only a week before the end of WW1. 

The verlustlisten gives his regiment as IR 154, but it gives the wrong year of birth. 

 

Here is a photo from Ancestry:-