House Order of Hohenzollern - info needed

[Deutschritter]

3 hours ago, Dave Danner said:

It's not Hans Hasse. His known decorations are:

 

10.09.1913 KO4
30.09.1914 EK2
27.07.1915 EK1
04.06.1918 HOH3X
03.11.1914 ÖM3K
xx.12.1915 ÖEK3K
18.01.1917 ÖL3K
24.11.1916 BMV4X

 

He entered the army on 1.4.1897, so no Centenary Medal.

 

 

 

Thank you, Dave! 

[Dave Danner]

The Lt.d.R. Fiebelkorn from Armee-Flugpark 7 whose HOH3X was awarded by AKO on 1.11.1918 and recorded by the Abteilung IIa of AOK 7 is almost certainly Eduard Kurt Georg Fiebelkorn, *7.4.1894 in Berlin.

 

His EK1 was also recorded by the Abteilung IIa of AOK 7 in its "25. Nachweisung über verliehene Eiserne Kreuze 1. und 2. Klasse" for the period 1.8.17-31.8.17.  At the time, he was a Lt.d.R. (Charlottenburg) of Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 10, commanded to Flieger-Abteilung (Artillerie) Nr. 260. I've no idea if he was a Flugzeugführer or Beobachter.

 

The Militär-Wochenblatt gives his commissioning date as 27.1.16 and Meldeamt as "(V Berlin)", so the Meldeamt either changed or one of sources made a mistake.

 

Edited June 13, 2023 by Dave Danner

[webr55]

We might have had him already, not sure: Prof. Dr. Otto Schulz, Hptm and BatKdr. 

 

Essener Volkszeitung, 20.12.17

 

 

 

First name: Karl Götte, Fliegerleutnant from Essen

 

Essener Volkszeitung, 16.4.18

 

[webr55]

 

Should be a new first name: Lt Johannes Beissel from Essen, KIA 1918

 

Essener Volkszeitung, 26.6.18

[webr55]

 

Lt Paul Rosenbaum from Essen. Might be the one from PB 4, otherwise from IR 13. 

 

Essener Volkszeitung, 24.7.1918

 

[Dave Danner]

Johannes Beissel was commissioned in RIR 206 and killed with RIR 93. The Hanseatenkreuz is probably Hamburg.

 

The Rosenbaum from PB 4 was Franz:

*25.01.1888 in Hamburg, †31.08.1970 ebenda
28.09.14-02.02.15 Zugführer 3. Feldkomp. PB 4
02.02.15-04.02.17 Zugführer 5. Feldkomp. PB 4
04.02.17-29.09.18 Komp.Führer 5. Feldkomp. PB 4, 2-mal schwer verwundet

HOH3X, AK, HH, VAs

 

 

[Dave Danner]

On 02/01/2021 at 05:15, webr55 said:

Jensen was from Schottsbüllfeld, here mentioned together with Dr. Wolff and Matthiessen, who we already have.

From Hamburgischer Correspondent und neue hamburgische Börsen-Halle, 30.5.1918

 

Matthiessen is Theodor Matthießen, Hptm.d.R.a.D., formerly in the reserve of IR 85, given the Charakter of Maj.d.R.a.D. on 23.7.1916. He also had the RAO4, LD1, RKM3 and LüH

[Mattyboy]

Karl Krimmel died in 1939

 

 

One of the Ritter's - August Ritter

 

Correction of a first name? Reinhold Foell, Fliegertruppe. However, another source gives his first name as Otto:- 

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by Mattyboy

[webr55]

On 17/06/2023 at 15:37, webr55 said:

 

Lt Paul Rosenbaum from Essen. Might be the one from PB 4, otherwise from IR 13. 

 

Essener Volkszeitung, 24.7.1918

 

 

In the VL, there are several mentions of a Lt dR Paul Rosenbaum, born 13.4.1895 in Aachen. At one point (1919), he was in IR 57, heavily wounded. Not sure if this might be the one. 

 

[Dave Danner]

The Aachen-born Paul Rosenbaum received the HOH3X on 7.7.1918 while in IR 57. Based on the date of the Essener Volkszeitung, that's him.

 

The Rosenbaum from IR 13 received the HOH3X on 16.5.1918. 30.11.16 Leutnant d.R. (Hagen) des IR 13, Führer 1./IR 13.

He might be Josef, *25.6.1893 in Mayen, Coblenz, but I cannot say for certain.

[Dave Danner]

On 18/06/2023 at 13:46, Mattyboy said:

Correction of a first name? Reinhold Foell, Fliegertruppe. However, another source gives his first name as Otto:- 

 

 

Otto is correct.

 

Föll, Otto Reinhold
*19.5.1893 in Göppingen, †19.10.1918 inf. Verwundung und Grippe
Zivilberuf: Lehrer in Rottenacker
Dienstlaufbahn: 1.4.13-31.3.14 Einjährig-Freiwilliger im FR 122, 4.8.14 beim Ers./IR 120 eingerückt, 8.9.14 zum IR 120 ins Feld, 30.6.15 leicht verwundet, 15.8.15 ins Lazarett, 8.9.15-6.11.16 Offizieraspirantenkursus, 20.11.16 zum IR 120 ins Feld, 13.7.16 Leutnant d.R., 10.11.1916-10.1.17 beim Armeeflugpark 14, 15.1.17 zur Beobachterschule, 10.3.17 zum Armeeflugpark 1, 23.3.1917 zur FA (A) 288 kommandiert, 1.5.17 in die FA (A) 288 versetzt, 17.11.1917 zum Reihenbildzug 6 kommandiert (Lehrgang), 9.1.18 zum Armeeflugpark 6 versetzt, xx.xx.18 zur Fliegerabteilung 5 Lb.
Auszeichnungen: EK2 (12.11.14), WsM (30.5.16), Beobachter (9.6.17), EK1 (20.9.17), HH (17.11.17), HOH3X (2.8.18), BMV4X (1918)

 

[Dave Danner]

Speaking of Reinholds, the HOH3X recipient from RIR 27 was the later Generalmajor Reinhold Dahlmann, not Luftwaffe Generalleutnant Hermann Dahlmann. Reinhold was Regimentsadjutant of RIR 27 from 1916-17 and Brigadeadjutant of the 108. Infanterie-Brigade thereafter. Known decorations for Reinhold are:

 

xx.xx.14 EK2
28.09.15 EK1
09.06.17 HOH3X
xx.xx.1x MMV2
06.05.18 MMV1
xx.xx.3x Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
02.10.36 Wehrmacht (Heer) Dienstauszeichnung 4. bis 1. Klasse

 

The MMV2 was likely in 1917 or 1918, after he was Adjutant of the 108.IB, since RIR 90 was also in the brigade. It wasn't gazetted in the Mecklenburg-Schwerin Regierungsblatt, which stopped publishing awards in September 1917. Mecklenburg-Schwerin sometimes awarded both classes at the same time, so it might be the same date as the MMV1.

 

As for Hermann Dahlmann: Leutnant im IR 82, FA A 252, Jasta 29, Oberleutnant JG 3, 1920-33 Polizei, 1933-39 Wehrmacht-Beamter im RLM, ab 1939 Luftwaffe-Offizier. Decorations: EK2 (11.9.14), EK1 (20.6.17), Ehrenbecher (16.6.17), FlugzgFhr (1.10.16), FlgrErinn (1.4.19), FEK (1935), WLDA2 (2.1.37), ÖKEM (1935), UKEM (1935), ErinnBand Jasta Boelcke (1935), FlugzgFhr (1935), Sudeten (2.10.39), KVK2X (13.11.40)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deutschritter]

2 hours ago, Dave Danner said:

Föll, Otto Reinhold
Auszeichnungen: EK2 (12.11.14), WsM (30.5.16), Beobachter (9.6.17), EK1 (20.9.17), HH (17.11.17), HOH3X (2.8.18), BMV4X (1918)

 

May I ask, when you write WsM do you mean the Silberne Verdienstmedaille 1892 sometimes abbreviated WsVM? Thanks! 

[Dave Danner]

12 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

May I ask, when you write WsM do you mean the Silberne Verdienstmedaille 1892 sometimes abbreviated WsVM? Thanks! 

 

WgM and WsM are the goldene and silberne Militärverdienstmedaillen.

[Dave Danner]

Major Sellier from FußAR 1 and the Oberkommando der Heeresgruppe Deutscher Kronprinz was Louis August Numa (not Suma), *14.6.1872 in Jena, †27.10.1945 in Biesenthal, Barnim.

 

Besides his known wartime awards, he received the RAO4 in the Ordensfest 1914. A Hauptmann in FußAR 1, commanded to the Großer Generalstab, he was placed zur Disposition in early 1914 and was sent as part of the German military mission to Bolivia in mid-1914. On returning to Germany, he was given the Charakter of Major z.D. on 27.1.15 and then reactivated as a Major on 3.3.15. He was discharged in 1919 and given the Charakter of Oberstleutnant a.D.

 

His son Manfred Sellier (2.12.1898-23.1.1968) was a Leutnant in FußAR 5, commanded to the Fliegertruppe and twice wounded. He was an Oberstleutnant in the Luftwaffe. He received the MMV1 in 1918 as a Leutnant in FA A 245. His Wikipedia bio says he also had the EK1. Other than the WLDA4, I've no idea what Wehrmacht decorations he might have added.

[Mattyboy]

New first name - Lt dR Fritz Riedel, Schwäbischer Merkur 02.10.1918 

 

Oberst aD Alfred Visher was born in 1854 and died in 1935, as per this publication: 

 

https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/newspaper/item/XBO6ZZRNOHZOP4FEK4QPUC4UJOQYVJMX?query=Hausorden&zdb_id=2751625-8&sort=sort.publication_date+desc&hit=&issuepage=5 

 

Date of birth & death of Oberstleutnant aD Erich Scupin 

 

https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/newspaper/item/VKADSMHXQY3R4V5AYEX5AFSMLAX7VQVA?query=Hausorden&zdb_id=2751625-8&sort=sort.publication_date+desc&hit=&issuepage=6

 

[Mattyboy]

 

Lt dR Holzhäuer was from Reutlingen. Schwäbischer Merkur dated 08.07.1918 

 

[webr55]

Krüger from FAR 43 was Martin, here is his death notice from 1941 (good that they included his regiment!):

 

Westfälische Landeszeitung Castrop-Rauxel, 14.5.1941

On 15/12/2021 at 19:31, webr55 said:

This first name was a tricky one: Lt dR (PB 328) August Böger from Lütgendortmund. The notice in Dortmunder Zeitung, 20.8.1918, makes him Oberpostassistent "Vöger" in Lütgendortmund, though without first name. But the address book Dortmund 1925/26 lists him with full name in Lütgendortmund, as Postassessor. 

 

 

 

 

 

More on August Böger: he made Oberpostinspektor and died in 1937:

 

Westfälische Landeszeitung Gross-Dortmund, 1.4.1937

 

 

[webr55]

 

Lt dR Pense from GR 12 got later a Schlageterschild. I couldn't find his first name though.

 

Westfälische Landeszeitung Hagen, 23.3.1934

 

 

Adam Kaus, Hptm dR, died as Major and Kdr of a Luftwaffenbaubataillon in 1941.

 

Westfälische Landeszeitung Castrop-Rauxel, 26.11.1941

 

This is an interesting case, since no Luftwaffe connection was recognizable so far, at least not for me. Do we know anything more about his other awards?

 

[Dave Danner]

Pense is Dipl.-Ing. Franz Paul, born on 19.5.1892 in Bitterfeld. He was in Sturmbataillon Rohr.

 

Adam Kaus was born on 1.10.1880 in Darmstadt and died on 8.11.1941 in Luftwaffenlazarett Bukarest. He commanded Luftwaffen-Baubataillon 17/IV and died of a diabetic coma. Other known awards are the Landwehr-Dienstauszeichnung 2. Klasse (LD2), Hessisches Allgemeines Ehrezeichen "Für Tapferkeit" (HT), k.u.k. Österreich-Ungarisches Militärverdienstkreuz 3. Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration 3. Klasse (ÖM3K), and Verwundetenabzeichen in schwarz. As a native of Hessen serving most of the war in Hessian regiments (IR 168 and RIR 254) and recipient of the HOH3X and EK1, he also no doubt had the Kriegerehrenzeichen in Eisen. His HOH3X came on 30.8.1918 while in RIR 252, a Thuringian regiment, but he has not shown up in any of the known Thuringian state award rolls. There's a picture of him in the RIR 254 history, but it's a group photo and there's not much detail.

 

 

[Mattyboy]

New first name: Hermann Radler, from Chroniken der deutschen Marinebesatzung, 1891-1918

 

 

[Dave Danner]

For some reason I thought I had already posted this, but a search gives no results.

 

The Major d.R. Cleve who received the HOH3X on 12.5.1918 was Richard, born 20.6.1869 in Loischwitz, Oels. He was a Distriktskommissar in Crone an der Brahe and a reserve officer of IR 51.

 

- 14.9.1889 in das Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 51 eingetreten

- 18.1.1891 Sekondelieutenant

- 12.9.1894 zu den Reserve-Offizieren des Regiments übergeführt

- 16.12.1899 Oberleutnant der Reserve

- 20.7.1907 Hauptmann der Reserve

- xx.xx.191x Kommandeur des 3. Westfälischen Landwehr-Infanterie-Bataillons Breslau

- 22.5.1915 Charakter als Major der Reserve, z.Zt. Kommandeur des zusammengesetzten Ersatz-Bataillons 11/51

 

The combined Ers.Btl. 11/51 was the II. Bataillon of Landwehr-Ersatz-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 8 (LEIR 8). LEIR 8 later became IR 353 of the 88. Infanterie-Division. Also in that division was LEIR 9/IR 354, which had a Saxon bataillon (from Landwehr-Brigade-Ersatz-Bataillon Nr. 48). Cleve was apparently commanded to that regiment in 1914/15, as he received the SA3aX on 15.4.1915. He also had the LD1.

 

[webr55]

Here is another Müller, Albert Müller from Ostrach, student of mathematics at the Univ. of Münster.

Maybe he is the Lt who got the HHOX in January 1918. 

 

Westfälischer Merkur, 15.2.1918

 

 

 

The flyer Lt Hagemann is Bernhard, from Münster.

 

Westfälischer Merkur, 18.7.1918

 

Edited June 30, 2023 by webr55

[Dave Danner]

Ostrach is in Kreis Sigmaringen. Albert Müller was a Leutnant der Reserve in LIR 13 and received the Fürstlich Hausorden on 8.12.1916. If he also received the Königlich Hausorden, he might be the Lt.d.R. in IR 468, although IR 468 was a hessisch regiment and LIR 13 was westfälisch.

[Mattyboy]

First name: Erich Haniel, FAR 61. Born 1878.