Paul C Posted March 1, 2008 Posted March 1, 2008 My latest addition to my collection. The medal bar of GL Karl Max Gronau. He was born in 1855 and died 1945. He made GM 22.04.14 and GL 27.01.18. He was the commander of the 86 Infantry Division. His neck awards are:RAO2EX, KO2, SA2aX, WVK1XAnd his medal bar awards are:1914 EK2, HH, AK, Hind w/SW, MG3, DA, SWA ST, Centennial, Hung. Comm and JV5The JV5 (Japan Order of the Rising Sun 5th class) really made the bar traceable. The is another example of what is not on the bar is equally important as what is.
Deruelle Posted March 1, 2008 Posted March 1, 2008 Congrat for your new purchase. Very nice medal bar. Now you have to buy the neck order to complete the groupChristophe
Claudio Posted March 1, 2008 Posted March 1, 2008 Beautiful Paul! Congratulations for your newly adquired piece! Ciao,Claudio
Komtur Posted March 1, 2008 Posted March 1, 2008 Great bar, thank you for showing BTW this label is missing in Wild Cards thread Greetings, Komtur.
Leutwein Posted March 1, 2008 Posted March 1, 2008 and here is the picture of Oberst Gronau.Best wishesLeutwein
Paul C Posted March 2, 2008 Author Posted March 2, 2008 Thanks for posting the pic. It is a great addition.
Guest Rick Research Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Having made the Epson Pilgrimage yesterday (through a hailstorm that left TWO rainbows projected in my yard!!! ) here is a MUCH better and totally Non-Pink scan of General Gronau's bar:Will post the reverse in the Makers' tags thread and a close up of the Rising Sun in that thread on the Japanese Order. :cheers:
arb Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Paul,I am finally able to get back into the forum. Here is GM Gronau's career to add to your files with this wonderful bar. If you have any questions, let me know. !AndyCarl Gronau (1855-1945)27.01.14-08.09.16 Kom. d. 22. Feldart. Brig. (Cassel)19.06.09-27.01.14 Kom. d. 4. Garde Feldart. R. (Potsdam)1904-19.06.09 I./Lehr R. d. Feldart. Schie?sch. (J?terbog)18.04.01-1903 II./Feldart. R. 36 (Danzig)1900-18.04.01 b. St. d. Feldart. R. 36 (Danzig)1898-1899 Lehr. a.d. Feldart. Schie?sch. (J?terbog)1895-1897 k. als Lehr. a.d. Feldart. Schie?sch., Mitgl. d. I. Abt. d. Art. Pr?f. Komm., ? l.s. Feldart. R. 31892-1894 Chef 3./Feldart. R. 3 (Brandenburg)01.04.90-1891 Dir. Offiz. d. Art. u. Ing. Sch., Sekret?r d. Stud. Komm. d. Art. u. Ing. Sch., v. Feldart. R. 3322.03.87-01.04.90 i. 4./Feldart. R. 27 (Wiesbaden)1886-22.03.87 i. 7./Feldart. R. 3 (J?terbog)1885 i. 8./Feldart. R. 3 (J?terbog)1882-1884 Adj. I./Feldart. R. 3 (Wittenberg)1881 i. 1./Feldart. R. 3 (Wittenberg)1879-1880 k.z. Art. u. Ing. Sch. v. Feldart. R. 31876/77-1878 i. 1./Feldart. R. 3 (Wittenberg)PRAO3mSchl PKrO2 PDK MG3 JV5Gen.Maj. 22-04-14 B Oberst 20-03-11 Ji Oberstlt. 18-05-08 C Major 19-09-01 B2b* Hptm. 18-10-91 B2b2 Oblt. 22-03-87 Leutn. 17-10-76 *Ern. 18-04-01
Paul C Posted February 3, 2011 Author Posted February 3, 2011 A new development. A fellow forum member found these pictures of Gronau, circa 1935, wearing the excate bar I have. 1
Paul C Posted February 3, 2011 Author Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) Close up Edited February 3, 2011 by Paul C
Claudius Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Outstanding photo of him and ALL of his awards! I think he was sitting there because he was out of breath from supporting the weight of them I looked at the earlier entries but I didn't find what I was looking for with regard to his career. Does anyone know when/why he received the Japanese RS order? Why is his DSWA medal the steel version?
Thierry Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Why is his DSWA medal the steel version? Bonjour, Non combattant ? Thierry
Claudio Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Hi Paul, That is a great picture! Congrats! The IC 2nd class has been taken away and replaced... you can clearly see from the pictures (see below, the sloppy sewing and the position of the iron cross - lower than the Hambung Hansacross). Why people do that? I can't really understand... But at least the medal bar is the original one... some of the ribbons are exactly folded like on the picture. ciao, Claudio
Deutschritter Posted October 11 Posted October 11 What a great collection, thanks for that. Does anyone have an exact death date and place?
Deutschritter Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) On 03/07/2008 at 18:30, arb said: Carl Gronau (1855-1945) 27.01.14-08.09.16 Kom. d. 22. Feldart. Brig. (Cassel) 19.06.09-27.01.14 Kom. d. 4. Garde Feldart. R. (Potsdam) 1904-19.06.09 I./Lehr R. d. Feldart. Schie?sch. (J?terbog) 18.04.01-1903 II./Feldart. R. 36 (Danzig) 1900-18.04.01 b. St. d. Feldart. R. 36 (Danzig) 1898-1899 Lehr. a.d. Feldart. Schie?sch. (J?terbog) 1895-1897 k. als Lehr. a.d. Feldart. Schie?sch., Mitgl. d. I. Abt. d. Art. Pr?f. Komm., ? l.s. Feldart. R. 3 1892-1894 Chef 3./Feldart. R. 3 (Brandenburg) 01.04.90-1891 Dir. Offiz. d. Art. u. Ing. Sch., Sekret?r d. Stud. Komm. d. Art. u. Ing. Sch., v. Feldart. R. 33 22.03.87-01.04.90 i. 4./Feldart. R. 27 (Wiesbaden) 1886-22.03.87 i. 7./Feldart. R. 3 (J?terbog) 1885 i. 8./Feldart. R. 3 (J?terbog) 1882-1884 Adj. I./Feldart. R. 3 (Wittenberg) 1881 i. 1./Feldart. R. 3 (Wittenberg) 1879-1880 k.z. Art. u. Ing. Sch. v. Feldart. R. 3 1876/77-1878 i. 1./Feldart. R. 3 (Wittenberg) Hello, Andy, thanks so much for these infos. He can be found as Karl Max Erdmann Gronau, but also as Max Carl Erdmann Gronau ... but I can find neither an exact birth nor death date. Any help would be very much appreciated. Do you happen to know, when he entered service? Or after Kadettenkoprs directly as Seconde-Lieutenant? Thanks! Andreas P.S: The Rangliste 1918 had him as Generalmajor, the Rangliste 1919 not at all. Do you know where I can confirm that he was promoted to GL on 27 January 1918? Edited October 13 by Deutschritter
arb Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Andreas, This is what I have for you. Carl Gronau (24.03.1855-09.03.1945) 09.03.45 zu ?? gest. 11.11.75 Port. Fähnr. no date of his entry in the army. 24.03.55 zu Reiersdorf, Kr. Templin geb.
Deutschritter Posted October 13 Posted October 13 7 minutes ago, arb said: Andreas, This is what I have for you. Carl Gronau (24.03.1855-09.03.1945) 09.03.45 zu ?? gest. 11.11.75 Port. Fähnr. no date of his entry in the army. 24.03.55 zu Reiersdorf, Kr. Templin geb. Once again, just great, Andy! Thank you! Portepee-Fähnrich in November 1875? That helps, this would normally mean he entered in April 1875.
Deutschritter Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) His older brother was the nobilized GdA Johann "Hans" Karl Hermann von Gronau. He also wore the Austria-Hungary Military Merit Cross, 2nd Class with War Decoration (ÖMV2mKD/ÖM2K). Could someone please identify these two breast stars? Edited October 13 by Deutschritter
P.F. Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Bottom left looks like Austrian Order of Leopold, Grand Cross. The other cross is the Saxon Albert Order, Commander Cross 1st Class with Swords.
Deutschritter Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 9 minutes ago, P.F. said: Bottom left looks like Austrian Order of Leopold, Grand Cross. The other cross is the Saxon Albert Order, Commander Cross 1st Class with Swords. Thank you! Am I seeing that right? With the Kriegsdekoration (ÖL1mKD/ÖL1K)? Edited October 13 by Deutschritter
Deutschritter Posted October 13 Posted October 13 I hope this list is complete ... thanks to all of you: Mecklenburg Greifen-Orden, Knight's Cross (MGrO3/MG3) Prussian Centenary Medal 1897 (Zentenarmedaille) Red Eagle Order (Roter Adlerorden), 4th Class Prussian Long Service Cross for 25 years (Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz) Japanese Order of the Rising Sun, V. Class (JVAS5/JV5) Southwest Africa Commemorative Medal (Südwest-Afrika Denkmünze) in Steel for Non-Combatants Prussian Order of the Crown (Preußischer Kronenorden), 3rd Class Red Eagle Order, 3rd Class with the Bow Prussian Order of the Crown, 2nd Class Iron Cross (1914), 2nd and 1st Class Ducal Anhalt Friedrich Cross (Herzoglich Anhaltisches Friedrichkreuz; AF/AK) Hanseatic Cross of Hamburg (HH) Red Eagle Order, 2nd Class with Oak Leaves and Swords in September/October 1916 Saxon Albert Order (Albrechts-Orden), Commander 1st Class (with Star) with Swords (SA2a⚔) Princely Waldeck Cross of Merit (Fürstlich Waldeck’sches Verdienstkreuz), 1st Class with Swords (WVK1⚔) Austria-Hungary Military Merit Cross, 2nd Class with War Decoration (ÖMV2mKD/ÖM2K) Star to his Red Eagle Order 2nd Class with Oak Leaves and Swords Austrian-Hungarian Imperial Order of Leopold, Grand Cross with the War Decoration (ÖL1mKD/ÖL1K) Honour Cross of the World War 1914/1918 with Swords Hungarian World War Commemorative Medal (Ungarische Kriegs-Erinnerungs-Medaille) with Swords
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