Christian L Posted October 27, 2005 Posted October 27, 2005 thanks joe and heiko!yes - but do YOU want to tell me, that you need this clasp?i would guess, that you have this one twice or a tripple? christian
HeikoGrusdat Posted October 27, 2005 Posted October 27, 2005 I have only the usual clasps twice, like the Samoa... but this one, it`s hard to say... this one really is still missing in my collection. If you don`t need it anymore some day please let ME know... Heiko
Stogieman Posted October 27, 2005 Author Posted October 27, 2005 Here's an interesting one. Hohenzollern House Order w. Swords. The entire piece in gold.
Stogieman Posted October 27, 2005 Author Posted October 27, 2005 Reverse........ I've had only 2 in real gold.
medalnet Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Are there any markings? Could we see the side of the swords?
Stogieman Posted October 28, 2005 Author Posted October 28, 2005 Hi Andreas, as is so often the case with the real gold pieces, no markings whatsoever anywhere on the piece. No additional photos available, these are my archived scans.
medalnet Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Absolutly. This piece has interesting swords. I assume one could see from the side that those are put together from two pieces.
Stogieman Posted October 28, 2005 Author Posted October 28, 2005 Andreas, I seem to remember we had about the same conversation on the same swords about 4 years ago!
medalnet Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 That is true memory. I had already forgotten.Anyway, very nice piece. It is quite interesting how many different varaitions exist on the House Order of Hohenzollern.
Stogieman Posted October 28, 2005 Author Posted October 28, 2005 The thing that always strikes me when I hold a gold piece, as opposed to silver-gilt, is the weight. Since most gold pieces are hollow, there's almost nothing to them and it catches you by surprise. Like the difference between a Saxon AOOK in gold/silver gilt. (Like the Glaser one from a few nights ago!) It's a striking thing the first time you hold one!
Luftmensch Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 W O W !!! Not a single word on a Zeppelin Becher or a cased Zeppelin badge. You guys are tough to impress! I gotta look for some ribbon bars...
Stogieman Posted October 28, 2005 Author Posted October 28, 2005 Oye, not so fast......... I keep going back and getting awe-struck by your 2 pieces. Talk about one of's...... I get a little damp just contemplating them living here......PS: Your pal in FL didn't list that badge??
Luftmensch Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Ken's raising some quick cash for a trip, so consignments come after. He likes you! He'll send you photos any time you ask.
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 I saw the cased Zep. Badge. I was pretty impressed. Most of the ones I've seen are clear fakes. I'd really like to see a high res closeup of the CEJ mark.
Ulsterman Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 (edited) W O W !!! Not a single word on a Zeppelin Becher or a cased Zeppelin badge. You guys are tough to impress! I gotta look for some ribbon bars...Bloody Hell, I just saw that. What L ship did Volkman serve in? They had an 70% casualty rate did they not?This is my rare one, not that glamorous really: Edited October 28, 2005 by Ulsterman
Stogieman Posted October 28, 2005 Author Posted October 28, 2005 Nope, I think that's rare enough to challenge many people as to what exactly it is. Very nice, like the 3rd one I've seen!
Luftmensch Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Nope, I think that's rare enough to challenge many people as to what exactly it is.Like me, for example! Okay, now I'm feeling the love. Ulsterman, Volkmann served on Z IV, LZ 38, LZ 86, LZ 97, and LZ 113, but you can read the whole story on the `Drome under "Medals." Brian, I'll try a close-up of CEJ and post a few other badge oddities, including one sold to me on eBay by Stogieman who may `fess up today just why he divested himself of it! RgdsJohn
Ulsterman Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 The "drome"? Some sort of WW1 fliers' site perhaps? I'll do a google.Here's the back: awarded 1913-1919/20. No more than 500 were awarded-at best.
Luftmensch Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 (edited) Sorry....http://www.theaerodrome.com/....forum....."medals" Edited October 28, 2005 by Luftmensch
Daniel Murphy Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Stogieman, I purchased this piece as bronze gilt. Upon seeing your gold one with the dark enamel, I had one with similar enamel. When I conpared the two, it is also lighter than my Friedlander 938 piece. I do not have a scale to weigh it, other than that is there any way to verify whether it is Gold or not. Here are some pics Obverse,
Daniel Murphy Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 I had believed that the darker enamel indicated a spangenstuck order since the silver gilt pieces I had seen had a lighter clear green enamel. The arms are thinner than my 938 piece and the quality is first class. Were there any sweat holes etc. on these? Here is the reverse.
Stogieman Posted October 28, 2005 Author Posted October 28, 2005 Hi Dan, if it feels light as a feather... lierally...... check the weight in grams (bring it to a jeweler)... then see if anyone has a Nimmergut's with prussia (the big $250 per volume) one and compare the weight. I've seen/owned only one brz. gilt and truth be known, the brz. gilt one had gilding so bright I thought it was real gold at first... until I weighed it out. My brz-gilt had no marks either. Only marked ones I've seen (Wagner & Friedlander, 1 Godet) were all maker/content marked. It would be smashing if yours was gold, it would be only the fourth I've seen!
Stogieman Posted October 28, 2005 Author Posted October 28, 2005 PS: have you gals & girls figured out Ulsterman's medal yet??
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