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We know that the firms of Mayer, Zimmermann and Schickle were linked in some way as their U-Boat badges are near clones of each other as far as obverse die characteristics are concerned, only minor differences in finishing/ fittings differentiate them.

Well, the destroyers for these firms are absolutely identical too. Here's a comparison shot of Schickle, Zimmermann and Mayer.

Mayer badge from Skip Burtonshaw collection, Zimmermann from Jan Arne Straete

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Nice score Gordon! :cheers:

Yes, that was a concern when asking around on this one if it really was or just one of the other makers with a L/15 stamp applied. Congrats! Beautiful badge ;)

Tim

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Nice catch Gordon. The middle one features the type of catch that can be found on Schickle 1 class KVK?s and EK?s and on some WB?s as well.

Maybe there is more behind this...

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Hello!

Gordon

Nice rare find.Congrats and thanks for sharing.This is good information. :cheers:

All the best

Nesredep

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My first post!

Thank you Gordon intresting information .

I have I been looking for information regarding my unmarked badge.

The only difference I see on the obverse except for the obvious maker mark is the badges in the middle seems to have a square catch correct?

Then my badge would be either a L15 or a L18 no possibility to tell the diffrence?

In Tuckers book there is a Destroyer that looks like it would fit in with this group and that is the L21 marked destroyer but I might be missing something.

/Bjorn

Edited by Berra

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Hello Bjorn,

Welcome to GMIC !

My opinion is that you most likely have a nice early unmarked badge by Schickle. Schickle sometimes used the flat, square catch also, the L/18 marked Mayer Destroyer badge usually has a square flat catch instead of like this with a round catch. Not impossible for it to be a Mayer, but I would say most likely yours is a Schickle.

Very lucky find, as Schickle badges are rare, certainly rarer than Mayer.

I know of the badge in Tuckers book. The badge itself is certainly genuine but I am not convinced about the L/21 mark.

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Gordon, thank! I am glad I found this forum!

Any chance of seeing some bigger pictures of the obverse on the Zimmermann and Mayer badges?

How rare is these marked examples?

/Bjorn

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And I will add this one from my collection. It could be a Shickle or Mayer, not really sure. Nice badge once again Bjorn. Note the stammrollen number on the reverse, meaning his assigned number to this particular destroyer (unknown destroyer) crew. John

Edited by John Robinson

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Very nice badge John and possibly researchable?

Yours have a diferent pin setup and a nice "been there" look.

/B

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Hi John,

I'd say yours is most likely a Mayer.

As we know, when Schickle ceased production in 1941, their tooling was sold off by the local chamber of commerce (Handelskammer). I believe that Mayer (who of course were located in the same area) purchased at least some of that tooling including the Destroyer badge, hence the absolutely identical die characteristics. It seems likely if this is the case, that supplies of fittings (pins etc) were also acquired hence early Mayer pieces having the same pin fittings as Schickle pieces.

The pin fittings on yours are exactly the same as can be found on some later Mayer pieces including the Zinc version of the "Mayer/Zimmermann/Schickle" style U-Boat badge indicating, to me, the likelyhood of yours being an early tombak Mayer but after the Schickle style pin fittings had been exhausted.

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Just picked up a nice tombac Destroyer Badge. Unfortunately it's been de-nazified and suffered minor damage, probably from being held in a vice while the swastika was filed off. Other than that it's a beauty and the photo doesn't do it justice. I don't know who the maker is but found another with the same design and reverse side hardware in my database.

Richard

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Nice badge Richard.I used to have a tombak Wound badge in silver with the exact same hinge.From what i recall it was attributed to Deumer?

Still,a good looking and uncommon badge IMO.

Regards,Martin.

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Thanks for the kind words guys. It is a really nice badge, just too bad that they would install such ugly reverse hardware but then I guess that's not the side we are supposed to be looking at that.

Richard

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I just received this nice studio portrait of the Destroyer badge in wear.I think an intersting combination of the grey uniform,the Destroyer badge and what appears to be Torpedo mechanic insignia on the shoulder tabs.A nice crisp photo that shows the detailed Destroyer badge.

Regards,Martin.

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The reverse of the photo.A translation of the writing would be much appreciated.

Many thanks,Martin.

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