christerd Posted June 16, 2013 Posted June 16, 2013 If anyone have names, documents or similar on Germans who got Finnish awards from 1918 I would be most grateful to see them. I´m trying to do a list over as many as possible awardees with liberty Crosses and medals from 1918. I still miss a lot so all help is appreciated Christer
P.F. Posted June 16, 2013 Posted June 16, 2013 Dear Christer Such a list would be very useful. Please add the following WW2 officer: Kapitän zur See Julius Steinbach -Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation 1918 I have some other ribbon bars with these decorations but they are not named. Kind regards Pierce
P.F. Posted June 16, 2013 Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) I have gone through my files and can add the following: Kapitän zur See Johannes Jantzen -Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Kapitänleutnant Johannes Spieß -Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class, 1918 (?) Kapitän zur See Theodor Paul -Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Kapitän zur See Dothias Wiarda -Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Kapitän zur See Harold Netzbandt -Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Kapitän zur See Heinrich Rollmann -Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Kapitän zur See Heinz Degenhardt -Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Kapitän zur See Hellmuth Leissner -Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Oberleutnant z.S. a.D Strauch -Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Stabsingenieurs Georg Kirchberger -Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Vizeadmiral Hugo Meyer -Medal of Liberty 1st Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Korvettenkapitän August Altvater -Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Edited June 16, 2013 by P.F.
P.F. Posted June 16, 2013 Posted June 16, 2013 Generalleutnant z.V. Ludwig Müller -Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class, 1918 Hauptmann Arther Lehmann -Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class, 1918 Oberst Hans Butz. Elfteilige -Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Oberstleutnant a.D. William Halling -Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Rittmeister Graf von Bernstorff -Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Hauptmann Karl Niegsch -Medal of Liberty 2nd Class, 1918 Major a.D. Walther von Ehrenkrook -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918
P.F. Posted June 16, 2013 Posted June 16, 2013 Polizeihauptwachtmeister Paul Beyer -Medal of Liberty 1st Class, 1918 -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Dr.Gerhard Sayffaerth Staatsanwalt (Major im Führerhauptquartier) -Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 Dr. Max Bachem -Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, 1918 Professor Wilhelm Dieck -Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class, 1918 (without swords)
christerd Posted June 16, 2013 Author Posted June 16, 2013 Fantastic Pierce !! I got some new names there , I will make a list of all Germans with Finnish Awards I have in Excel format and post on the forum so can we see if we can update it. Christer
Mikko13 Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 Hi guys, interesting topic - because my area of interest. Here is another name (you can find more information on German wikipedia): Hans-Karl Freiherr von Esebeck He got the the Cross of Liberty 2nd class + Medal of War of Liberation, both of course 1918. Later this evening, I will post a great Imperial medal bar...maybe another name will be soon revealed. Have a good day Mikko
Mikko13 Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 Hello collector-friends, here is the promised medal bar. Maybe the name can be identified and the we could have another candidate for your list, Christer. Regards Mikko 1
jaba1914 Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 What a outstanding bar. look at the Hamburg cross ist is a nice silver version. I hope it could be identified. Regards Alex
Claudius Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 Hello collector-friends, here is the promised medal bar. Maybe the name can be identified and the we could have another candidate for your list, Christer. Regards Mikko Great bar Mikko! Superb cross-section of German states plus the Finnish and Turkish awards! Can you photo the back too?
Mikko13 Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 Hi Claudius, hi @ all, a typical Godet bar. Here is the reverse. Could it be Polizeihauptwachmeister Beyer's bar?
christerd Posted June 17, 2013 Author Posted June 17, 2013 Fantastic Bar ! I dont have any German Officer with BMVO and only a Medal 1st class , could it be Navy ? Christer
christerd Posted June 17, 2013 Author Posted June 17, 2013 Here is the first Germans with Finnish Awards There is a few Higher grades awarded but they are extreme Liberty Cross 1st Class X and Brillianten 1918 2 awarded Rüdiger von der Golz GenMaj Hugo Meurer Vz Adm Liberty Cross 1st Class X Breast Star and Oakleves 1941 3 awarded to Germans Eduard Wolrath von Dietl GenOberst Franz Halder GenOberst Georg von Küchler Gen Feld Marsch Liberty Cross 1st Class X Breast Star 1941 11 awarded to Germans Ernst Busch Gen Feld Marsch Wilhelm Canaris Admiral Waldemar Erfurth Gen d Inf Kurt Fricke Admiral Rudolf Gercke Gen d Inf Hans Jeschonneck Gen Oberst Alfred Jodl Gen Oberst Günther Korten Gen Oberst Georg Heinrich Lindemann GenOberst Julius Felix Steiner Gen SS Kurt Zeitzler Gen Oberst More to come
P.F. Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) @Mikko, what a truly impressive medal bar!! @Christer, regarding WW2 presentations, let us not forget the Reichsmarschall although he was awarded the Order of Liberty in 1942. Reichsmarschall Hermann GÖRING - Grosskreuz des finnischen Freiheitskreuzes mit Schwertern - Grosskreuz des finnischen Löwenordens mit Schwertern - Grosskreuz des Ordens der Finnischen Weissen Rose mit Schwertern Kind regards Pierce Edited June 17, 2013 by P.F.
Daniel Krause Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Hello Christer, Thanks a lot for the award list! Very interesting and informative!!!! Lots of greetings Daniel
christerd Posted June 19, 2013 Author Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) More Liberty Crosses from the top Liberty Cross 1st Class w Oakleaves (meaning 2nd award of same class) 18 awarded to Germans Karl Bodenschatz Gen der Flieger Franz Böhme Gen der Inf Rolf Carls Gen Admiral Erich Fellgeibel Gen der Nachrichten Truppe Alfred Jacob Gen der Pioneere Ferdinand Jodl Gen der Gebirgs Truppe Bodewin Keitel Gen der Inf Phillipp Kleffel Gen der Kavallerie Herbert Osterkamp Gen der Artillerie Conrad Patzig Admiral Friedrich Paulus Gen Feld Marschall Julius Schulz Gen der Flieger Ferdinand Schörner Gen Feld Marschall Hans-Georg von Seidel Gen der Flieger Frhr Thilo-Georg von Werthern GenMaj der Artillerie Karl Weisenberger Gen der Inf Bodo von Witzendorff Gen der Flieger Albert Wodrig Gen der Artillerie Liberty Cross 1st Class 1941 74 awarded to Germans Karl Allmendinger Gen der Inf Eduard Ausfeld Oberst Richard Bazing Gen Maj der Pioneer Wilhelm Becker Gen Leutn Luftwaffe Wilhelm Berlin Gen der Artillerie Dr Kurt Bingler Gen Stabs Arzt Reimar von Bonin Konter Admiral Hero Breusing Gen Maj Theodor Buchardi Admiral Erich Buschenhagen Gen der Inf Leopold Bürkner Vize Admiral Hans Bütow Konter Admiral Kurt Böhmer Konter Admiral Dr Leonardi Conti SS Obergruppführer Hans Degen Gen Leutn der Gebirgs Truppe Karl Demelhuber Gen der Waffen SS Kurt Dittmar Gen Maj Erwin Engelbrecht Gen Leutn Waldemar Erfurth Gen der Inf Nikolaus von Falkenhorst Gen Oberst Rudolf Gercke Gen Leutn Otto Gille SS Ober Gruppen Führer Ernst Goettke Gen Maj Heinrich Gärtner SS Oberführer Wilhelm Hasse Gen der Inf Peter Hansen SS GenMaj Georg Ritter von Hengl Gen Maj Adolf Heusinger Gen Maj Alexander Holle Oberst Luftwaffe Iwan Huenert Gen Leutn Rudolf Hünermann Gen Maj Ferdinand Jodl Gen Maj Heinrich " Heino" Jürs SS GenMaj Heinrich Kittel Gen Maj Mattias Kleinheisterkamp SS Gen Maj Kurt Kleinrath Gen Maj Luftwaffe Otto Klüber Konter Admiral August Krakau Gen Maj Hans Kratzert Gen Leutn Hans Kreysing Gen Maj Dr Rudolf Lipf Gen Arzt Walter Lorenz Gen Maj Luftwaffe Bernhard von Lossberg Gen Maj Luftwaffe Gerhard Matzky Gen Maj Gerhard Medem Gen Maj Heinz Nordmann Admiral Christian Phillipp Gen Maj Georg Radziej Gen Maj Wilhelm "Willi" Raitel Gen Maj Gerhard Reus Gen Maj Herbert Rieckhoff Gen Leutn Luftwaffe Franz Rossi Gen Maj Karl Rübel Gen Maj Horst Rössing Gen Maj Xaver Sattler Gen Maj Luftwaffe Ernst Schlemmer Gen Maj Hubert Schmundt Vize Admiral Rudolf Schmundt Gen Maj Karl Seber Oberst Felix Steiner SS GenLeutn Werner Stichling Admiral Fritz Thiele Gen Hermann Tittel Gen Leutn Werner Wachsmuth Oberst Eduard Wagner Gen Maj Otto von Waldau Gen Maj Luftwaffe Martin Wandel Gen Maj Walter Warlimont Gen Maj Kurt Weckmann Gen Leutn Wilhelm Wegener Gen Maj Otto Will Gen Maj Paul Winter Gen Maj Ernst Wirtsch Gen Maj Hans-Helmuth von Wühlisch Gen Maj Luftwaffe I will try to continou with 1st Class 1918 awards (wich is much tougher) All the best Christer Edited June 19, 2013 by christerd
Guest Rick Research Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Mikko-- do YOU own that bar? Yes, we know whose it was-- a national treasure for Finland (silver Medal of Liberty WITH BOW...) BUT it has been for sale so many times on BOTH sides of the Atlantic Ocean in recent years it would be nice to know somebody with enough intelligence to KEEP it as the awesome SOUL of a 1918 Finnish collection is going to KEEP it and not toss it out on the market... again. Research Gnomes (one of us had this bar in his paw at an S.O.S. show, where the ignorant seller wanted too much. Yes there IS a sanity level) only do research for brother COLLECTORS... not to put unearned money in the hands of lazy seller. Has this bar FINALLY found a HOME with you?
Mikko13 Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Hi Rick, I bought this bar this year in February for my collection which consists of WW1 and WW2 medal and ribbon bars of Germans fighting in Finland. My own international background "put" me into that business...I collect and do not sell until my wife kicks me out...I do not think that this will happen So, would you like to whisper the name into my ear or give all persons interested in this topic the opportunity to participate in the revelation of another brave man's name. Cheers Mikko
Mikko13 Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Hi Daniel, wow. thank you...somehow a little bit disappointing...not a pure military career...more a manager. But Christer has a new name for his list
Claudius Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Hi Daniel, wow. thank you...somehow a little bit disappointing...not a pure military career...more a manager. But Christer has a new name for his list I don't think it is anything to be disappointed about. Just gazing at the first several awards on his medal bar and I knew he didn't perform an act of single, outstanding bravery. But that doesn't take anything away from the bar. It's a great officer with pre-war, wartime and after the war service with a couple of countries. that windmill around his neck.
christerd Posted June 19, 2013 Author Posted June 19, 2013 That is strange There was only 1 awarded Finnish 1st Class medal Order of Liberty with bow and that was to Mannerheim ..... Have I missed something
Deruelle Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Hi, Very interresting topic. I have this nice unknown ribbon bar and I think it will be difficult to make a positive id without other States ribbons. I like it anyway Christophe
Deruelle Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 I have this nice saxon NCO ribbon bar. I think this man fought with Kar Reg in Finland. Christophe
Deruelle Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 I have two photos from Kar Reg in Finland. Probably our man is here who knows ! Christophe
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