scottplen Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 This is my favorite NCO group ! Just traded for it its been tracked to 7 NCOs that received both MEZ and Baden Silver Merit medal on MKF ribbon for China/boxer rebellion ! I feel this is a Prussian NCO ? is there a list or break up of the units in China by State ?
Claudius Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 great bar! I can see why it is your favorite NCO group.
HeikoGrusdat Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 tztztz Mr.Homerjey...... not really a NCO-bar at all... but woooooooooooonderful
Homerjey Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 ups... the last bar ist wrong. Maybee, the first bar is right, because the grippenorder is the last typ. He got it in high age. I think he got the KDM66 as an low rank...sorry Is this bar better?
ostprussenmann_new Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 On 8/22/2015 at 07:39, Chris Boonzaier said: Career NCO, a Badener in a Würt. Regiment (I.R. 126) Every has some great groups but I am always partial to the Badeners
Wild Card Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 If I am not mistaken, on that Mecklenburg bar (post #80), I see a pre 1908 Red Eagle medal on the Hohenzollern ribbon in there. Any idea as to what this was awarded for? Quite rare, very nice indeed and congratulations!
Komtur Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Wild Card said: If I am not mistaken, on that Mecklenburg bar (post #80), I see a pre 1908 Red Eagle medal on the Hohenzollern ribbon in there. Any idea as to what this was awarded for? ... The medal was given with the Hohenzollern ribbon only once. On the occasion of release of the Stabswache des Großen Hauptquartiers (Guard of the Great Headquarter) on April the 29th 1871 all men and officers of the Stabswache received the Red Eagle Medal on this ribbon. In July 1870 the Infanterie-Stabswache was formed from men of the Lehr-Infanterie-Bataillon and the Kavallerie-Stabswache from troops of the Militär-Reit-Institut. The Lehr-Infanterie-Bataillon, affiliated to the 1. Garde-Regiment zu Fuß, was established in 1819 to improve the equability of service and training in the Prussian regiments. Every year the regiments had to send a few men and NCO to this training unit. From 1868 on the contingents of the German states, belonging to the Norddeutscher Bund (North German League) also sent men to the Lehr-Infanterie-Bataillon. Therefore we find medal bars of Prussians, but also of persons from other states of the Norddeutscher Bund, such as Mecklenburger or Saxon with the Red Eagle Medal on the Hohenzollern ribbon. The authorised strength of the Lehr-Infanterie-Bataillon in July 1870 was 656 men and NCO. Half of these formed the Infanterie-Stabswache, the other half were sent back to there units. So we can estimate, that about 330 infanterymen got this special combination. Even if it is not clear, how many cavalryman from the Militär-Reit-Institut were used to form the Kavallerie-Stabswache, we can assume, that altogether not more then about 500 Red Eagle Medals on the Hohenzollern ribbon were awarded. Regards, Komtur. Edited March 12, 2017 by Komtur 1
HeikoGrusdat Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Even more amazing to see 3 of them here in one row .. very rare stuff
Paul C Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 23 hours ago, Homerjey said: Here are my two favorite bars Very odd, Bavarian jubilee medal with Prussian long service medal. Can anyone explain?
HeikoGrusdat Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Paul C said: Very odd, Bavarian jubilee medal with Prussian long service medal. Can anyone explain? Saw something like this some times before when bavarian officers were for long times in prussian service or units , for example in the Schutztruppe , we had a lot of discussions in german forums about these "long service things" , this is a wide field with many possibilities and surprises....
Dave Danner Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Indeed, Bavarians in the Navy or the Schutztruppe would receive the Prussian DA. I suppose it is possible that a Bavarian officer who returned the Bavarian Army after serving in the Schutztruppe could have both a Bavarian and a Prussian DA, or a choice of both. On 3/2/2017 at 18:22, scottplen said: This is my favorite NCO group ! Just traded for it its been tracked to 7 NCOs that received both MEZ and Baden Silver Merit medal on MKF ribbon for China/boxer rebellion ! I feel this is a Prussian NCO ? is there a list or break up of the units in China by State ? Do you have the seven names? I can check my Baden resources and see if any can be ruled out, for example because of the lack of a 1902 Baden Regierungsjubiläumsmedaille. Dave
scottplen Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 10 hours ago, Dave Danner said: Indeed, Bavarians in the Navy or the Schutztruppe would receive the Prussian DA. I suppose it is possible that a Bavarian officer who returned the Bavarian Army after serving in the Schutztruppe could have both a Bavarian and a Prussian DA, or a choice of both. Do you have the seven names? I can check my Baden resources and see if any can be ruled out, for example because of the lack of a 1902 Baden Regierungsjubiläumsmedaille. Dave Dave Thank you here are the 7 names Gefr Ammon 6 OA infanterie Regiment Uffz Hauck OA Reiter Regt Sgt Heinrich J H Linemann 4 O A IR Pioner Wilhelm M?ssig OA Pionier bat Kanonier Karl Schumann OA Bat schwerer Feldhauitzen Paul Skowanek 4 OA inf regt Gefr Hermann H?pfinger Kommando fed OA exp. thanks Scott
Dave Danner Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Paul Skowranek received the 1902 Baden Regierungsjubiläumsmedaille as a Feldwebel in IR 142, so he can be ruled out. I can't say anything for certain about the others, although Hermann Höpfinger is a very "badisch" name. Ancestry has 31 entries for that name in the database for "Baden, Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials". As with the Bavarian bar discussed above, however, it is possible that a native Badener might have received a Prussian long service award if he was not in a XIV.AK unit at the time of award, for example if he was in the Schutztruppe.
Wild Card Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Thank you Komtur for your excellent and very interesting explanation in post #85 - alles ist klar! Best wishes, Wild Card
scottplen Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) Here's a New Prussian NCO bar or deck officer bar ! Awarded Saxon Albert cross ! Edited December 14, 2017 by scottplen
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