King Ferdinand I's decorations

[Trooper_D]

10 hours ago, new world said:

It's possible, I am not an expert in such awards, I just repeated what dealer who has this award for sale said.

Any confusion is entirely understandable, New World, as the history of the Constantinian Order is a bit convoluted.

There are basically two 'flavours', Bourbon-Palma and Bourbon-Two Sicilies, which reflects a split arising from a Bourbon family dispute in the eighteenth century. Each flavour uses slightly different insignia.

The Bourbon-Two Sicilies version itself split in 1960 with two cousins contesting the Grand Mastership. However, this latter split has not resulted in any difference in insignia.

Questions about the legitimacy of the different branches of the Order has taxed lawyers and historians for generations so there is little hope us lesser mortals understanding the issue

Edited December 4, 2017 by Trooper_D

[new world]

On 11/19/2017 at 08:33, ilieff said:

The Maltese cross on the below picture (circled). It's the same as shown on the uniform from post 27 in this thread.

King Carol of Romania is wearing similar Maltese cross

[roberttheknight]

 

as do a lot of German monarchs which leads me to believe that it may be the insignia of the german protestant branch of the order of st john. For example Prince Leopold IV of Lippe 

 

"All members of the Order may also wear a plain, Maltese cross as a star or 'breast badge'. Most such stars are of plain linen, though enamelled stars in either silver or silver gilt, of about 5.5cm in diameter, also are worn in formal evening attire"

Edited December 11, 2017 by roberttheknight

[Igor Ostapenko]

Find this catalogue 

[Igor Ostapenko]

I will add few pictures 

[Lubo]

Here is the rarest of all, no other gold award of this type is known to exist!

Its listed as #086 of this fine booklet that Is displayed by Igor in the previous post. Sorry for the cut pictures.

[BalkanCollector]

12 hours ago, Lubo said:

 

Amazing medal bar!

[Bayern]

About King Ferdinand of Bulgaria he was personally Roman Catholic , of the House Coburg Kohary a Catholic branch of the House Saxo Coburg Gotha , his mother was Princess Clementine of Orleans and his first wife and mother of his children was Princess Maria Luisa of Bourbon Parma , both women Catholics . Ferdinand caused a certain amount of irritation when he decided to re Baptize his son Boris  two years after his first baptize as Roman Catholic , this time into the Orthodoxy and asked Czar Nicholas II to be Godfather, He was not King yet but Prince of Bulgaria , Bulgarians were mostly Orthodox as the Russians and existed strong feelings pro Russia. the other son Prince Kyrill was baptized Roman Catholic.  King Ferdinand I of Romania was Roman Catholic, his wife Marie of Saxo Coburg Gotha , anglican and the future King Carol II was baptized Orthodox 

[Graf]

Hi Lubo ,

Is this pair contributed to King Ferdinand? They did not appear in the SOTHEBY"S Auction Igor is shoiwng pictures from a SPINKS Auction site

Hi Bayern, Thank you for the information

 

Here are pictures from the SOTHEBY"S Auction on 7 July 1998 in London

Edited November 30, 2021 by Graf

[Lubo]

Hi Peter, you’re talking about a completely different event, 9 years later!

The one Igor is showing is from the first auction with Ferdi’s belongings from 1989 in Germany and the medal bar I’m showing sits as I already said as # 86!

Regards

Edited November 30, 2021 by Lubo

[Lubo]

BTW, I am talking about the book, that Igor shows, not the medals, the medals are from 1998 SOTHEBY, but the book he is showing is from 1989  

[Graf]

Hi Lubo,

Ifgor showed the book from the German Auction in in a post in 2019

His last post from November 2021 was from Spink Auction

You stated

Here is the rarest of all, no other gold award of this type is known to exist!

Its listed as #086 of this fine booklet that Is displayed by Igor in the previous post. Sorry for the cut pictures.

A bit a confusion ..needed some clarification

 I added pictures from SOTHEBY"S related to the posts.

Did they organise the Auction with collaboration with Spink in 1998?

 

 

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Graf

[Lubo]

Hi Peter, maybe I caused confusion! To make it clear, the medal spange  I’m showing is from this catalog from 1989 in Germany

I have no knowledge if the 1998 auction  by SOTHEBY’s was organized in collaboration with SPINK! I would seem a plausible YES, but I don’t know for sure!
If SPINK is not listed anywhere in the catalog from 1998 as a collaborator, then I’ve no idea where you can get this info from!

[larsb001]

On 28/11/2021 at 20:45, Lubo said:

Here is the rarest of all, no other gold award of this type is known to exist!

Its listed as #086 of this fine booklet that Is displayed by Igor in the previous post. Sorry for the cut pictures.

Lubo, at least one other Gold medal exists, I have had it my hands a few times, but I don't know where it is now. It came from the estate of Prince George of Denmark to a Danish collector, then to the shop "Guldstuen" and from there to the collection of a now deceased former President of OMSA who had an special interest in these countries.

[Lubo]

Interesting, I suppose you don’t have a picture of it!

[Graf]

Hi Lubo,

 

Thanks

 

The pair of medals DID appear in the German booklet in 1889, but  it DID NOT look to be sold in the SOTHEBY"C Auction. in 1998

I just noticed on Igor post of Spink Sale, an interesting fact. The Spink stated in the Provenance Section that those items had been sold by SOTHEBY"S Auction on 7 of July 1998.  That mean that the Spink Auction took place in a later year.

Silly of me I did not notice that fact  earlier. Now i have to dig in the past or perhaps the current SPINK Auctions to find the year Igor can help me to avoid this search if he knows the year of Spink Sale.

 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Graf

[Lubo]

Hi Peter, I’m sorry but you are wrong, this same spange was listed as #86 in the same German catalog from 1989, please check your facts because mine are rock solid  

It’s simple, just open the catalog and go to the upper mentioned N

Regards

[Graf]

Hi LUbo,

 

Sorry,  typing mistake You are correct

 

Read "  The pair of medals DID appear in the German booklet in 1889, but it it DID NOT look to be sold in the SOTHEBY"S  Auctionin 1998"

 

Cheers

Just edited the text to correct the typing mistake

 

Cheers

[Igor Ostapenko]

On 28/11/2021 at 21:45, Lubo said:

Here is the rarest of all, no other gold award of this type is known to exist!

Its listed as #086 of this fine booklet that Is displayed by Igor in the previous post. Sorry for the cut pictures.

Hi Lubomir, 

Do you have this catalog ? 
In my booklet lost one page , with lots number 200-205. 
Can you make me photos of this page please ! 
Thank You ! 
 

 

[Igor Ostapenko]

I find, thank you 

[Graf]

[GlennC]

I have in my collection Order of military merit that belonged to the king Ferdinand I. This order was sold at Sotheby's auction in 1997 Lot #290

[Graf]

That is a great It is collectors dream Well done

[Graf]

On 11/12/2022 at 10:51, GlennC said:

I have in my collection Order of military merit that belonged to the king Ferdinand I. This order was sold at Sotheby's auction in 1997 Lot #290

Amazing Order

[GlennC]

On 25/07/2023 at 05:58, Graf said:

Amazing Order

Thank you. I like this one too.