W.Unland Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Hello, It has been a long time since I posted a topic on police items. Here I would like to illustrate the different types of insignia worn on the schirmmutze, ie; dress peak caps, of the waterways protection police. The WSP was a very small branch of the consolidated German police force. Most of the ranks were officer grades with some NCO ranks in the large jurisdictions such as commercial harbors. All ranks wore a navy style blue topped cap with a fiber brim. No braid was worn on the brim unlike the navy. All ranks wore a police insignia consisting of a NS eagle encircled by a wreath on the band of these caps. There were two types of insignia utilized, the common stamped gold finished aluminum and the unique to this branch embroidered gold bullion. NCO ranks wore a metal insignia whereas officers had the option of wearing the metal or the hand embroidered bullion insignia. The bullion insignia would have been significantly more expensive so I imagine only higher ranks and those in administrative positions would have chosen this option. it is important to remember that most WSP officers were former navy junior officers forced into police service when the police was "purged" of undesirables in 1934. The photo below shows the three types of metal insignia used. The example on the right is the M1934 eagle which lacks the small wreath around the swastika and has an eagle facing right like early political insignia. These were used until 1936 when the more robust M1936 insignia was introduced. The middle insignia is an example of this, the most commonly used type. The insignia on the left is a so called officer's grade metal insignia. It is made with more detail and a deeper, more pronounced stamping. These also have three prongs on the reverse. Although most commonly used by officers these were a more expensive option available to any rank, and these insignia are seen being used by NCO's in period photographs. This next photo demonstrates the differences between the standard and premium grade metal insignia. It is easy to see the higher "standout" of the "officer" grade insignia on the right. The more interesting WSP schirmmutze insignia was the bullion embroidered type. Since the WSP officers came from the navy they were used to a high profile bullion badge on their caps. They continued this tradition when they entered the police. These officers had bullion police insignia made to order by naval insignia shops which produced insignia as shown below. Each of these is different as they were all one off orders. No templates were used because these are highly padded and vaulted, just like navy insignia. The two examples shown here are the only one I have ever seen. The one on the left has a typical three wing feather execution while the one on the right shows six feathers. The details and execution of the insignia on the right are very high quality. The insignia on the left is more typical and uses synthetic "cellulon" to pick out the details on the eagle. A metal insignia is include to demonstrate the size of the bullion insignia. They are approximately 30% larger. This larger size is clearly seen in period photos where it almost appears like sleeve eagles are being worn on officer's caps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.Unland Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 And finally here is a photo of the two types of cap insignia with a sleeve insignia to show relative size. Metal gold colored cap insignia was also used by the traffic police of the Schutzpolizei. Consequently it is impossible to tell if any given gold colored insignia was used by the WSP or not. The bullion insignia however are unique to the WSP, and are quite striking. They are some of the most complicated and beautiful of NS insignia. They are also 100's of times rarer than an SS eagle, but sadly very, very underappreciated. Whomever made these was extremely skilled. Making the insignia with a vaulted shape and getting the lines straight in the finished product would not have been an easy thing to do. Finally here is a photo showing the vaulted shape of the bullion insignia, and a second photo showing such an insignia on mounted on a cap. Thanks for looking, I hope some might find it of interest. William Unland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Hi, thank you for sharing your insight and collector items with us. All I have is a couple of photo of members of the WSP, some before 1933, some after. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 34 minutes ago, GreyC said: Hi, thank you for sharing your insight and collector items with us. All I have is a couple of photo of members of the WSP, some before 1933, some after. GreyC Please post Your Photo on this Nice thread ! Cheers,Morten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.Unland Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 Indeed, if anyone has photos, particularly of WSP wearing Schirmmützen pleas do post them. regards, W. Unland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, W.Unland said: Indeed, if anyone has photos, particularly of WSP wearing Schirmmützen pleas do post them. regards, W. Unland Hi W.Unland, I have Some Photos! Cheers,Morten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Hi, Here's my first contribution to this good and important thread. More photos to be scanned. Cheers, Morten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) Hi, my WSP photos are not yet digitized, but maybe you like this one, too. It´s a booth from the Kiel harbour police, during a fair in 1931. Note the substance they advertise to desinfect storage rooms and freight holds on ships. It became notorious a few years later (Cyclon B). GreyC Edited May 31, 2018 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I shoulda had a camera with me yesterday... I spent a couple of hours in my canoe on the Main river yesterday... A Wasserschutzpolizei boat overtook me (barely).... it was a small motorboot with a canvas roof... both of the guys were just in pants catching rays. One standing and steering, one guy laying in the front sunning himself... if there had not been a blue light and siren you would not have recognised them as cops! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Thanks for the great thread guys. Bill, do you have more insignia or uniform bits from this branch? I have some East German uniforms, which are pretty hard to find in their own right. Morten and Grey, please keep the images coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Paul R said: Thanks for the great thread guys. Bill, do you have more insignia or uniform bits from this branch? I have some East German uniforms, which are pretty hard to find in their own right. Morten and Grey, please keep the images coming. Yes i want post more photos My friend! Cheers,Morten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Hi, Another great Wasser Polizei photo from my Collection from 1938. Cheers,Morten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 What a magnificent photo Morten! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 And here is another one of mine. Could be Wilhelms- or Cuxhaven. The shed in the background is a nautical chart handout and swap-shop. Date late 1920s / early 1930s? GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Hi! Here are two pictures that are a bit unclear but hope that's fine. I have some more pictures I will post in the next few days. Cheers, Morten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 12 hours ago, Paul R said: What a magnificent photo Morten! Thanks my friend! Cheers,Morten. Hi! This picture shows Marineküstenpolizei Uniform in use and Wasserschützpolizei officer visord cap. Notice the Narvik sign on the left arm. Thinking this officer has been in WSP early in the war Cheers, Morten.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P Hurst Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Hi Enjoyed this very informative thread . Just like to share some pictures of a rare Wasserschützpolizei officer schirmmutze hand embroidered gold bullion insignia. It's newly acquired, and appears to be in almost perfectly mint condition. aside from a small area of gold showing through a little wear on the reverse backing paper. It is on a black cloth backing and is not vaulted. It came with with a Heer Signals Standard Bearers sleeve shield,, a rural police sleeve patch and various breast eagles and cap badges. I'd like to offer it for sale for a fair price, first perhaps to W Unland if he's interested,, or if not, I'd just appreciate any guidance on where to offer it for sale Thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Fine artwork ! The Gold Kantille appears to be of superlative quality but is too new in appareance , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P Hurst Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Indeed, it is very fine quality workmanship and in perfect condition. The rear shows only the slightest sign of wear with a few flecks of gold showing through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryT Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Was Marine Küstenpolizei insignia the same? Cheers, Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mc Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 The attached picture is from an album relating to the Control Commission Germany, specifically Hamburg. Can anyone identify the building location and suggest if it still exists? It may of course be another building entirely, but seems to be grouped amongst other photos of the same one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) From the little we see it is difficult to make out. The school was founded as early as August of 1945. There were police-buildings at Veddeler Damm (Polizeihaus) police-barracks at the Freihafen and from 1949 a WSP-school at Worthdamm in Hamburg. The school was probably not at WSP-headquartes at the Klingberg 1 address. All are brick-buildings and I don´t know where the school was prior to 1949. It might have been at Veddeler Damm: https://www.hamburg.de/innenbehoerde/14278510/2020-09-01-wsps/ GreyC Edited March 29, 2023 by GreyC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Hi, here is a historical overwiev, albeit not very strong on the first years. However, you´ll find an almost identical photo with the school´s name in it. So I do think Veddeleramm is it: https://www.wasserschutzpolizei-schule.de/fileadmin/PDFs/Druckversion-Festschrift.pdf GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 On 31/12/2018 at 09:53, P Hurst said: Hi Enjoyed this very informative thread . Just like to share some pictures of a rare Wasserschützpolizei officer schirmmutze hand embroidered gold bullion insignia. It's newly acquired, and appears to be in almost perfectly mint condition. aside from a small area of gold showing through a little wear on the reverse backing paper. It is on a black cloth backing and is not vaulted. It came with with a Heer Signals Standard Bearers sleeve shield,, a rural police sleeve patch and various breast eagles and cap badges. I'd like to offer it for sale for a fair price, first perhaps to W Unland if he's interested,, or if not, I'd just appreciate any guidance on where to offer it for sale Thanks Very Nice Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all1knew Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 another pair of photos I found floating around the web William Kramer wehrmacht-militaria.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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