Alex K Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) Hi all, this is a genuine question and an attempt to understand the facts, attached is an image of Eduard Prince of Anhalt, resplendent in ceremonial uniform, image credit "alchetron", no date given for the image but clearly fairly modern As head of the House of Ascania, and Master of the House Order of Albrecht the Bear, which he is wearing, no problem with that, family baubles, he's entitled to award and wear them. In addition, of the other decorations, included are the Prussian "Pour-Le-Merite" military, 2 grades of the Prussian Order of the Crown, and the Austrian Order of Leopold, given that all these were effectively abolished in 1918, long before he was born, who awarded them? or is it a case of dynastic dressing up? Forgot to mention the breast star to the Prussian Order of the Black Eagle regards Alex K Edited October 19, 2018 by Alex K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) The head of the Ascanian House is Eduard Prinz von Anhalt (1941-), son of Joachim Ernst Herzog von Anhalt (1901-1947). That is not him in the picture. The guy in your picture is Frédéric "Prinz von Anhalt", born in 1943 as Hans-Robert Lichtenberg. In 1980, at the age of 36, he arranged to be adopted by the elderly widow Marie Auguste Prinzessin von Anhalt (1898-1983), sister of Herzog Joachim Ernst. She was apparently poor and lonely after the death in 1975 of her only son Karl Franz Prinz von Preußen, and the person who arranged the adoption helped pay her rent. Frédéric has since adopted 10 adults himself, making them so-called princes of Anhalt, as well as selling various knighthoods. The Albert the Bear is a House Order, and he is not head of, or in reality a member of, the House, so his "knighthoods" are pretty much worthless. Frédéric bought the ones he wears from various dealers and auctions. Since Germany does not have titles of nobility, the "Prinz" in Frédéric's name, as well as his adopted "sons", is merely a part of a legal name change, and no more a title than that of Prince Rogers Nelson or Elvis "The King" Presley. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frédéric_Prinz_von_Anhalt Edited October 19, 2018 by Dave Danner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Thanks, interesting, so the above picture has been mislabelled, I thought there seemed a difference in appearance between it and other images of Eduard, as for the decorations I was wondering if they were an "E-bay" type of purchase, clearly I was not far off, (that PLM looks suspiciously like a 10GBP copy I have lying around somewhere). Interesting link. regards Alex K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Prince Carnival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 clown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I think this whole thread should be moved off the Germany: Imperial: The Orders, Decorations and Medals of The Imperial German States forum and put....somewhere else, like the Lounge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 This fraudster and his charlatan wife have been discussed before on the forums. They give Imperial German orders, as well as humanity in general, a bad name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Oops, didn't expect such a reaction, apologies, for my ignorance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 What a joker this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utgardloki Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 He isn't a member of the nobility - you can't become a nobleman through adoption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Utgardloki ,Remember the adoption of marshall Bernardotte by King Charles XIII Vasa of Sweden , 1 minute ago, Bayern said: Utgardloki ,Remember the adoption of marshall Bernardotte by King Charles XIII Vasa of Sweden , By other side I think that this man Lichtenberg is a legitimated fraud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utgardloki Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Yes thats true, but somehow different, cause he was just legitimated as king through the adoption i think. Charles XIII was a member of the the house Holstein-Gottorf, but Bernadotte didn't become a member of it. With him the new House of Bernadotte was established. I am sure he was nobilitated by Napoleon before. I'm not an expert but I doubt the old rules of the nobility would have legitimated something like that, but cause of the power of Napoleon there was nothing to put against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 This Anhalt woman has been abusing her status by selling 'membership' in her family. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Bernadotte was made Prince of Pontecorvo by Napoleon .but not was the power of the Ogre what made Bernadotte King .he was elected as succesor on the throne of the childless Charles Xiii against the wish of Bonaparte. Charles XIII was certainly a Holstein Gottorp but the jure Bernadotte was also a Holstein too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filfoster Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Wasn't von Ribbentrop adopted by some noblewoman to give him his specious 'von'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utgardloki Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) This was after 1919, so he just got the "von" as part of his name, but not as "Adelsprädikat", somehow similiar to Lichtenberg. The line of the Ribbentrop family Joachim Robbentrop was part of hasn't been nobilitated, but others. Gertrud von Ribbentrop, who adopted him was a far relative. The "Deutscher Adelsausschuß" calls this "Scheinadel", I don't know an english expression. On 23/10/2018 at 03:42, Bayern said: Bernadotte was made Prince of Pontecorvo by Napoleon .but not was the power of the Ogre what made Bernadotte King .he was elected as succesor on the throne of the childless Charles Xiii against the wish of Bonaparte. Charles XIII was certainly a Holstein Gottorp but the jure Bernadotte was also a Holstein too I don't think Bernadotte was considered a Holstein Edited October 26, 2018 by Utgardloki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utgardloki Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) Here is a "Stammliste", were Bernadotte isn't considered a son http://genealogy.euweb.cz/oldenburg/oldenburg8.html#C13 Edited October 26, 2018 by Utgardloki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Utgardloki . I said De Jure ,thats legally , formally, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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