Vizeadmiral Hugo Meurer - Ribbon Bar

[Nicolas7507]

Dear members,

I would like to collect any information about Hugo Meurer, especially his awards. Was he awarded the OK2 and the MMV?

I also heard, that his medal bar is still existing. A photo of it would be great!

Reason is this ribbon bar, which I could luckily acquire a few days ago. It came to me identified and I can confirm every award for Meurer except the OK2 and the MMV. 

 

All the Best,

Nicolas

 

 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Nicolas7507

[P.F.]

Is that the OFA1 he is wearing here with the EK1? It's hard to tell.

[Daniel Krause]

@FAR32, It should not.

Marcus did list whatever was published in the Marineverordnungsblatt.

If an award was too late awarded to be published anymore, it is not in.

From my experience, most of the awards to navy guys after mid1918 were not gazetted anymore.

 

@Nicolas,

Nice find! Glückwunsch!

You were a bit faster than me ?

His Mecklenburg cross is confirmed. It is listed in the Schwerin archive.

 

viele Grüße 

Daniel 

[Nicolas7507]

Gentlemen, thank you very much for the confirmations!

Vielen lieben Dank, Daniel!

[Kriegsmarine Admiral]

On 18/09/2019 at 14:14, Nicolas7507 said:

It came to me identified and I can confirm every award for Meurer except the OK2 and the MMV.

Hello Nicolas. How did you confirm the China-Denkmünze for Meurer? And what class is it? Bronze or Stahl?

 

On 18/09/2019 at 22:06, Daniel Krause said:

His Mecklenburg cross is confirmed. It is listed in the Schwerin archive.

Daniel, you said the MMV is confirmed in the Schwerin archive. Was Meurer awarded only the 2nd Class or also the 1st Class?

On 18/09/2019 at 20:42, P.F. said:

Is that the OFA1 he is wearing here with the EK1? It's hard to tell.

I agree with you Pierce, it's definately the OFA1.

Here is a little better quality photo on which you can see the OFA1 in the bottom left corner.

 

[Daniel Krause]

Meurer just got a 2nd class from Mecklenburg-Schwerin, according my sources.

 

Best,

Daniel

[Kriegsmarine Admiral]

10 minutes ago, Simius Rex said:

Where can I find the spreadsheet referenced above entitled "Seeoffiziere" ??  Is it somewhere here in the forum? Thank you. Simi. 

See here: 

 

[Kriegsmarine Admiral]

On 18/09/2019 at 14:14, Nicolas7507 said:

It came to me identified and I can confirm every award for Meurer except the OK2 and the MMV. 

Can you please tell me how did you confirm the China-Denkmünze for Meurer? And what class is it? Bronze or Stahl?

[JohanH]

Photo from Jani Tiainens book abou finnish medals and orders. 

[Kriegsmarine Admiral]

23 minutes ago, JohanH said:

Photo from Jani Tiainens book abou finnish medals and orders. 

Thank you Johan! Are the last two medals the Finnish Silver Medal for Bravery and the Finnish Commemorative Medal of the "War of Liberation"?

Edited July 28, 2020 by Kriegsmarine Admiral

[JohanH]

46 minutes ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

Thank you Johan! Are the last two medals the Finnish Silver Medal for Bravery and the Finnish Commemorative Medal of the "War of Liberation"?

Yes, you are absolutely correct. 

It´s the 1st class medal of the order of Liberty (Vapaudenmitali) and the last one is the commemorative medal from the liberation war (Vapaussodan muistomitali). 

The 1st class cross is the variant with brilliants, I believe only two such pieces was awarded in 1918. 

[Deutschritter]

JohanH, looking at the large ribbon bar, I would love to know, why exactly Meurer received the Südwestafrika-Denkmünze (Stahl?) ...? Thanks! And yes, only Meurer and von der Goltz received the "Brillanten" to their liberty cross.

[JohanH]

19 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

JohanH, looking at the large ribbon bar, I would love to know, why exactly Meurer received the Südwestafrika-Denkmünze (Stahl?) ...? Thanks! And yes, only Meurer and von der Goltz received the "Brillanten" to their liberty cross.

Unfortunately I have no idea why he received the Sudwest-Afrika medal. 

German medals are not my strong side.

 

[GreyC]

1 hour ago, JohanH said:

Unfortunately I have no idea why he received the Sudwest-Afrika medal. 

He might have been involved in shipping the troops from Germany to Africa or in organising the transport as part of the responsible navy staff.

GreyC

[Deutschritter]

Thank you, Gentlemen. I think GreyC is right, he was Admiralstabsoffizier from 1902 until 1907 and surely organized some transports. This is what I have now for Meurer, additions and corrections welcome:

 

Zentenarmedaille, 1897

Roter Adlerorden, IV. Klasse

Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande

Krone zum Roten Adlerorden IV. Klasse

Südwestafrika-Denkmünze in Stahl

Orden vom Doppelten Drachen III. Klasse, 1. Stufe (CDIII.1) am 11. Mai 1907

Preußischer Kronenorden, III. Klasse

Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz

Roter Adlerorden, III. Klasse mit der Schleife

Ritterorden der hl. Mauritius und Lazarus, Kommandeurkreuz (JM3)

Preußischer Kronenorden, II. Klasse

Albrechts-Orden, Komtur II. Klasse (SA2b)

Eisernes Kreuz (1914), II. und I. Klasse

Schwerter zum Albrechts-Orden Komtur II. Klasse (SA2b⚔)

Schwerter zum Kronenorden II. Klasse am 4. Dezember 1917

Militärverdienstkreuz (Mecklenburg), II. Klasse (MMV2)

Friedrich-August-Kreuz, II. und I. Klasse (OFA1)

Bayerischer Militärverdienstorden, III. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern

Roter Adlerorden, II. Klasse mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern

Finnischer Orden des Freiheitskreuzes, I. Klasse mit Schwertern und Brillanten im Mai 1918 (Halsorden)

... nur noch in einem weiteren Exemplar an den Generalmajor von der Goltz verliehen

Erinnerungsmedaille des Freiheitskrieges 1918

Krone zum Roten Adlerorden II. Klasse mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern am 31. Mai 1918

Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

[Kriegsmarine Admiral]

9 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

This is what I have now for Meurer, additions and corrections welcome:

Add: -Finnische Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille (1918)

 

What is your source for the Bayerischer Militärverdienstorden, III. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern for Meurer?

[Deutschritter]

Thank you! Once again, you have a good eye! I got this from Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Meurer) ... I know, a terrible source -- they write: Marinekabinett (Hrsg.): Rangliste der Kaiserlich Deutschen Marine für das Jahr 1918. E.S. Mittler & Sohn, Berlin 1918, S. 7 --  so now I have looked myself (Rangliste 1918, p. 7), and NO  BMV3mKr⚔ ...!!!

 

 

Do you have anything on his cousin Vizeadmiral Alexander Albert August Meurer? Thanks!

Edited July 29, 2021 by Deutschritter

[Kriegsmarine Admiral]

For Hugo Meurer I also have China-Denkmünze in Bronze based on the ribbon bar posted by Nicolas in the first post. The class (Bronze) is just a guess. Since Nicolas hasn't replied to my question how he was able to confirm this medal for Meurer, I don't know if he actually received it. If we are to believe the medal bar posted by Johan is really Meurer's, then he didn't receive the China-Denkmünze, only the Südwestafrika-Denkmünze. Therefore, I am going to delete the China-Denkmünze from his list.

 

Regarding Alexander Meurer, here is what I have:

 

-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden II. Klasse mit Eichenlaub (18. 01. 1914)
-Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden II. Klasse (16. 01. 1910)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897
-China-Denkmünze in Bronze
-Südwestafrika-Denkmünze in Stahl
-Kaiserlich Russische China-Denkmünze 1900-1901 in Bronze
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden III. Klasse mit der Schleife
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
-Ritterkreuz I. Klasse des Königlich Württembergischen Friedrichs-Ordens
-Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse
-Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse des Königlich Dänischen Dannebrog-Ordens
-Offizierskreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Krone von Italien
-Ritterkreuz I. Klasse des Königlich Norwegischen Ordens des heiligen Olaf
-Kaiserlich Russischer St. Stanislaus-Orden II. Klasse
-k.u.k. Österreichischer Orden der Eisernen Krone II. Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration
-Kaiserlich Türkischer Eiserner Halbmond
-Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

 

And here are some photos of his medals I found. I pressume these are from the International Maritimes Museum in Hamburg. Just one little note, he most certainly didn't receive the Kriegsdenkmünze für die Feldzüge 1870–71. He was born in 1862!

[Deutschritter]

How great, thank you so much! About the China-Denkmünze: Deutscher Ordens-Almanach does not have it for Hugo.

[Nicolas7507]

Sorry for the late reply. Hugo Meurer did not receive the China-Denkmünze but the Südwestafrika-Denkmünze. It is a period mistake on the ribbon bar.

 

Regarding the Rangliste 1918, it does not show foreign orders and furthermore it is not complete (Stand 14.02.1918). There were still 9 months to go until the war ended and many decorations were awarded in this time. 

 

Best regards

Nicolas

Edited July 30, 2021 by Nicolas7507

[misiu]

Meurer‘s medal bar is for sale. If someone is interested in, he or she can write a PM.

 

Cheers 

[Mikko13]

Hi misiu,

 

I would be interested. Pls contact me via PM.

 

Cheers

Mikko