drspeck Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Dear all, I recently picked up this old style ribbon bar at auction. It came with a name (von Alvensleben) but after checking the 1903, 1907 and 1914 Prussian rank lists I have not found a von Alvensleben with this combination, so either I'm looking in the wrong way or spot - maybe needing glasses ? - or it's a different name. Anyone any ideas? Any help much appreciated. Best. Peter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Hi Peter, No Alvensleben. It belonged to General Georg Hartmann Freiherr THUMB v.NEUBURG Best, Daniel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Very cool bar, what is the decoration in last place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, VtwinVince said: Very cool bar, what is the decoration in last place? Italy, Order of the Crown, knight, from the looks of it? Kind regards, Sandro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Thanks Sandro, makes sense that the Auslaender is at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolewts58 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 16 hours ago, Daniel Krause said: Hi Peter, No Alvensleben. It belonged to General Georg Hartmann Freiherr THUMB v.NEUBURG Best, Daniel Here are his birth and death dates. General Georg Hartmann Freiherr THUMB v.NEUBURG (1855-1933) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drspeck Posted December 26, 2021 Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 22 hours ago, Daniel Krause said: Hi Peter, No Alvensleben. It belonged to General Georg Hartmann Freiherr THUMB v.NEUBURG Best, Daniel Daniel, that is a very nice Chritsmas gift, thank you very much Thank you all for the additional information, it's a very nice family name for research Best, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 ...and here you have a fitting face to the bar :-) best, Daniel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drspeck Posted December 26, 2021 Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daniel Krause said: ...and here you have a fitting face to the bar ? best, Daniel Nice What kind of bandoleer/belt is he wearing by the way across the chest? Also, does anyone have some more information on von Neuburg? I cannot find him in the Prussian rank lists. Edited December 26, 2021 by drspeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Baron Thumb was a former 2. Garde-Ulanen officer. In Daniel's picture he wears the uniform of a Rittmeister of the Detachement Garde-Jäger zu Pferde of which he was the detachment commander in 1898. The detachment was subordinated to the Leib-Garde-Husaren-Regiment in Potsdam. Regards Glenn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drspeck Posted December 26, 2021 Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Glenn J said: Baron Thumb was a former 2. Garde-Ulanen officer. In Daniel's picture he wears the uniform of a Rittmeister of the Detachement Garde-Jäger zu Pferde of which he was the detachment commander in 1898. The detachment was subordinated to the Leib-Garde-Husaren-Regiment in Potsdam. Regards Glenn Nice, thanks Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 My pleasure. Not sure why you could not find him the Prussian Ranglisten. This his is final entry in the last peacetime edition of 1914 as the commander of 8. Kavallerie-Brigade. The General (1855-1933) rose to the rank of Generalleutnant (18.6.17) and command of the 4. Kavallerie-Division. Regards Glenn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03fahnen Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Here we can see his fate in 1914, according to the information in the "Rangliste der Königlich Preußischen Armee und des XIII. (Königlich Württembergischen) Armeekorps für 1914" By the way, a wonderful ribbon bar Coincidence, I have included the same information as Glenn. when his contribution did not appear on my computer. better "there better be more and not that there is less" we say in Spain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drspeck Posted December 26, 2021 Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Glenn J said: Not sure why you could not find him the Prussian Ranglisten. This his is final entry in the last peacetime edition of 1914 as the commander of 8. Kavallerie-Brigade. The General (1855-1933) rose to the rank of Generalleutnant (18.6.17) and command of the 4. Kavallerie-Division. Hi Glenn, Thanks for the information. This is the entry of his family name in the Namenverzeichnis of the Rank list of 1914 - only a last name, no firsit name and no page reference, so it left my guessing which page to look for. 03Fahnen pointed me to the right direction ? Von Neuburg can be found on page 66 of the 1914 Prussian Rank list. Best. Peter Edited December 26, 2021 by drspeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Hi Peter, as is often the case with noble double names, he is listed in the index twice with a reference to the primary surname. The listing you show says “von Neuburg, siehe (s.) or see Frhr. Thumb. This means look under Frhr. Thumb (page 1578 in the name index). He would be generally known as and referred to under the name of Thumb and not Neuburg. incidentally, I believe he was originally a Royal Württemberg cavalry officer, entering Prussian service in 1885/86. Regards Glenn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drspeck Posted December 27, 2021 Author Share Posted December 27, 2021 14 hours ago, Glenn J said: Hi Peter, as is often the case with noble double names, he is listed in the index twice with a reference to the primary surname. The listing you show says “von Neuburg, siehe (s.) or see Frhr. Thumb. This means look under Frhr. Thumb (page 1578 in the name index). He would be generally known as and referred to under the name of Thumb and not Neuburg. incidentally, I believe he was originally a Royal Württemberg cavalry officer, entering Prussian service in 1885/86. Regards Glenn Glenn, I did not know that so I learned something new today, thanks Best, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Always amazed by the qualities many of you guys possess. wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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